From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Menu suggestion Date: 25 Apr 2004 01:02:24 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1082840723 14522 80.91.224.253 (24 Apr 2004 21:05:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 21:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 24 23:05:15 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BHUKp-0002Kl-00 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:05:15 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BHUKp-0002Zo-00 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:05:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BHUJx-0002RC-O3 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:04:21 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BHUJd-0002Qr-Kk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:04:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BHUJ7-0001cA-2F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:04:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.41.46.235] (helo=pfepa.post.tele.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BHUIT-0000YV-Jg; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:02:49 -0400 Original-Received: from kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk (0x503e2644.bynxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [80.62.38.68]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CEBF347FE11; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:02:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: David Kastrup In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 55 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22104 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22104 David Kastrup writes: > We have the "Options" menu "CUA-style cut and paste" > > I think we should rename this to something like > > "C-x/C-c/C-v cut and paste" > > or "PC-like cut and paste". > > Now both names are obviously less complete and accurate as the current > menu. If you hoover the cursor over that menu item, it says: Use C-z/C-x/C-c/C-v for undo/cut/copy/paste I don't mind changing the menu text if people can agree on something better. > > The problem with the current menu name, however, is that nobody has a > clue what "CUA-style" is. Or at least: those that _do_ know CUA-style > by name would have no trouble whatsoever to figure out the meaning of > the less precise names. > > Whereas the other way round things happen to be different... I had a wild idea some time ago -- Let the tutorial start out by telling about the ability to turn on CUA-mode for the benefit of users who are used to the C-x C-c etc. And of course how to do it. Then, if the user actually turns on CUA-mode at this point (or has done so already), the tutorial should automatically shift to show how to use emacs with the CUA-style bindings. A big advantage of this would be that the tutorial could just skip all about native navigation --a user who already uses C-x C-c etc before he starts learning emacs will also be using the cursor keys, pgdn pgup, etc. So there's no reason to tell him about C-f C-b etc, or C-v M-v etc. (and C-v doesn't work the emacs way anyway...). This means that the average user will have a faster path to start using emacs... I know the keyboard purist elite is very fond of emacs' traditional bindings, but they do make emacs more difficult to learn than emacs+CUA. WDYT about a CUA-aware tutorial. -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk