From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some findings and suggestion about Emacs on w32 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:23:15 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <008d01c4b886$32d07ff0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <00d901c4b900$9b774500$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1098656628 28626 80.91.229.6 (24 Oct 2004 22:23:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: guy@wyrdrune.com, Emacs Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 25 00:23:36 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CLqm0-0000fi-00 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:23:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CLqtc-0004e4-5L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:31:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CLqtU-0004df-SK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:31:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CLqtS-0004cg-PM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:31:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CLqtS-0004cW-Lo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:31:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.41.46.236] (helo=pfepb.post.tele.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CLqlb-0000tO-77 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:23:11 -0400 Original-Received: from kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk (0x503e2644.bynxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [80.62.38.68]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 35DA85EE00D; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:23:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: "Lennart Borgman" In-Reply-To: <00d901c4b900$9b774500$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:01:26 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:28862 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:28862 "Lennart Borgman" writes: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim F. Storm" > > : Once you have started emacs (from the start menu), what business do > : you have outside emacs (i.e. in Windoze land)? > > Of course you have a point there, but why not have the freedom of working > different ways? Does not that make the learning curve less steep? I have > seen people hesitating to begin using Emacs just because there is too much > to learn to begin with. If we want people to use Emacs I think we should > make it as easy as possible to begin. They will learn more after a while. I don't understand. How does gnuclient make emacs easier to learn ? I definitely think GNU Emacs should be on the start menu -- If emacs/gnuclient is included, your installer may offer to make file associations in the registry for e.g. *.el *.c *.h. > > Another trouble with this menu entry: What will happen if you start Emacs a > second time from that Start menu entry? You get a second instance of emacs -- that's perfectly legal and may be useful if you need a separate thread for some things (like gnus). There is a problem if you start the server in .emacs; does the first or second instance run the server ? I don't know if there is a generic answer to that question. > BTW the name of the entry is "GNU Emacs". I thought that just "Emacs" was > preferred? Right -- but mentioning GNU explicitly on the windoze start menu is a nice thing to do to remind users about "the issues", so IMO we should keep it there. > Can you tell me more about emacsserver/emacsclient? Does it work like > gnuserv or are there big differences? A major difference is that in CVS emacs, emacsserver is now INTERNAL written in ELisp via make-network-process. I.e. only emacsclient is an external program. AFAIK emacsclient uses a local unix socket, gnuclient uses a mailslot. -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk