From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Pavel@Janik.cz (Pavel =?iso-8859-2?q?Jan=EDk?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Make GUI look better Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:06:27 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019289985 26932 127.0.0.1 (20 Apr 2002 08:06:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:06:25 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16ypt3-00070H-00 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:06:25 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16yqCn-00088j-00 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:26:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16ypsn-0004Q7-00; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 04:06:09 -0400 Original-Received: from p0234.as-l043.contactel.cz ([194.108.242.234] helo=SnowWhite.SuSE.cz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16ypqx-0004IL-00 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 04:04:16 -0400 Original-Received: by SnowWhite.SuSE.cz (PJ, from userid 500) id 861BD183D5; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:06:30 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Face: $"d&^B_IKlTHX!y2d,3;grhwjOBqOli]LV`6d]58%5'x/kBd7.MO&n3bJ@Zkf&RfBu|^qL+ ?/Re{MpTqanXS2'~Qp'J2p^M7uM:zp[1Xq#{|C!*'&NvCC[9!|=>#qHqIhroq_S"MH8nSH+d^9*BF: iHiAs(t(~b#1.{w.d[=Z User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2.50 (i386-suse-linux-gnu) Original-Lines: 226 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:2821 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:2821 --=-=-= Hi, while doing some work on menus, I realized that Emacs' GUI is "weird" comparing to other free software I used as an inspiration. It is weird, because it uses too thick borders around menu, around toolbar buttons etc. It is possible to make it suit your needs via customizing some variables and X resources, but by default it is ugly. A week ago I experimented with those variables and presented "new look" to people I'm learning Emacs. They are mainly beginners with Emacs, but they use various GUI programs (not only on GNU/Linux systems). Two of them find new look quite impressive. But only when comparing to the "old looking" (ie. default) Emacs. Four of them find it impressive even before seeing the old look, because they *remember* those thick borders from the previous lesson... The rest (only one person) did not see any difference. How "new look" feels? I have just created four small screenshots. Two screenshots shows menubar, two toolbar. Old and new ones. Both menu and toolbar are important features, mainly for beginners. Those people can better absorb the knowledge when the GUI looks similar too any other programs. So I'm proposing changing the default look to the new one. What do you think? 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