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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17290 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17290 "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > Not any more. Eli was remarking that a lot of duplicate effort could > have been avoided if there were a standard MIME library. AFAIK, tm > was on offer in 1996-97, but nobody did anything about it. Ditto SEMI > in '97-99. Unfortunate lack of foresight, that's all. Well, yes and no. When I started working on the MIME library for Gnus, I had intended using SEMI. However, that proved rather difficult due to how SEMI was designed: It isn't (or wasn't at that time) structured anything like a library. Instead, it worked by redefining functions/hooks in the packages it supported. You'd basically require the relevant SEMI packages, and Gnus/rmail/whatever would suddenly become MIME capable. That's a perfectly valid approach if you intend being an add-on package with no cooperation from the packages you support, but it makes it rather difficult to maintain things and integrate things in a more user-friendly (and customizable) fashion. I spent about a week looking at SEMI and trying to pick stuff out of it, but in the end I gave up and started writing things (basically) from scratch. I may be misremembering, but I think Kyle went through a similar process about the same time with vm. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen