From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:21:24 +0200 Organization: Programmerer Ingebrigtsen Message-ID: References: <87d3kal0za.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o5mky4o.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8762ptue8r.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k4e8ucw3.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87liyofwxp.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o5cfui5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87liyndz5l.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1306867863 21856 80.91.229.12 (31 May 2011 18:51:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 18:51:03 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 31 20:50:59 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QRU1q-00028B-K6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 20:50:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41783 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QRU1p-0006UC-Hz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 14:50:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:50355) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QRTd2-0008Ja-8V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 14:25:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QRTcy-0000B6-0D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 14:25:17 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:40361) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QRTcw-00009k-Ew for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 14:25:14 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QRTcp-0005Vt-R8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 20:25:07 +0200 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 20:25:07 +0200 Original-Received: from larsi by cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 20:25:07 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 19 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUAAADW1tWNjY0GBgcw MTC0tLQCAQIBAQH////+//75+flvb27oOhPJAAACbElEQVQ4jZXTMW/aQBQH8Ns8X5NIiEylVDJh qrBY2ApKKjFFcJKlLG1pzWopFTfbFdLDnsoE3dKmkuONlDRO/OX6f2ebhKFD7wRI/HzvPT8/C2eA lRFFNrkkidYK61weCmEJS78DZJSRIqJTb+J5k7HwBQwn8LddwszTAF7WJqHUNhBIgNaTkQGhbTrN aAWYq1Ot9cwrwbLpjMOZUFNdnfCtf4I24ALivAuwLk1yqwyV0TlOnOGANmBpfw+mesqAc7hiI882 8jFV69Wia3KMhbw7aquxajYa9708H+b5wBn0ncFY0AkdUYhNPzOa1xDLprlLzyGuFdCiaB+CFUOy tokSBqoAa16LuGVY/wG1HbS4p4AIu6yqgAfTupAC7BISA8UDjWmehFUol0FtZFvW08ObZY0xcAGP BvqdRqOxzfOcP7yG2A2E+uOUTyjGxxw4WadXDJ9MxWQqjhha+AXcf6FIKdSKildBCYsCAvXa3GNY 5Lbp+LZZhlIF3LYLIAL85uTnuDtA/eoZHF1QkG9M8tAuQ11JgKlGGog4RwL4pRhiE+qbuQBguhg1 RT29Ttf0kn5UN8hzT0FTdD2vgzXoYw/zLSal/RY9agqNgdOW78/M6M28zoSvc5rCmmpfz94Ln98g QBEAcNnpdKeTLl4W39fa87oVfPyeptdSyhd3So0RvI0seR/wueorioyToiYaOds9CCs4MMAjEvBA qYtVlABu6KDHEMtjjDEAv7jBDEPL8IG+dhyMR8A5CmiVsFwsuRkGMFhPsGtfe4tcC4YR4E3Z8NAt qzPl7gA53OIB7GCzIrT8CYIHfL3qbf8CV+Lnmp3pyuUAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Mail-Copies-To: never X-Now-Playing: The Human League's _Credo_: "When The Stars Start To Shine" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:6HY6AL6zMQM1IzGBiEylMITKpZQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:139988 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> So I'd really prefer a way to query whether credentials exists without >> having to enter a password. Which I think means that an /etc/passwd + >> /etc/secrets-type split is unavoidable. > > I'd rather add an smtpmail-use-ssl boolean. After all, most other MUAs > have such a toggle-box. This isn't about SSL, but about auth. Which are almost, but not totally, orthogonal issues. :-) (The non-orthogonality is because I wanted to allow stashing certificate pointers into the .authinfo file in addition to the user name/password, but that's a detail...) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/