From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ChangeLog conventions: fill-column Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:46:51 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87psieggla.fsf@lrde.org> <87ejykoael.fsf@lrde.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1148424568 11231 80.91.229.2 (23 May 2006 22:49:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 24 00:49:26 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fifgr-0004wA-Na for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 May 2006 00:49:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fifgr-0004Xf-5A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:49:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Fifge-0004Wr-OJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:49:12 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Fifgc-0004WY-Uc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:49:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fifgc-0004WV-Np for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:49:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.41.46.236] (helo=pfepb.post.tele.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fifkv-0001BY-QU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:53:37 -0400 Original-Received: from kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk (0x503e2644.bynxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [80.62.38.68]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 62796A5002E; Wed, 24 May 2006 00:49:03 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com In-Reply-To: (Robert J. Chassell's message of "Tue, 23 May 2006 21:31:17 +0000 (UTC)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:55161 Archived-At: "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > There is at least one rationale besides the 500 year old one having to > do with the abilities or inabilities of your and my eyes -- even with > lots of interline spacing, a long line makes it hard to discover the > beginning of the next line. ChangeLogs have 8 chars of indentation on every line, so they can be longer than normal. Also, detecting the next line is typically not a problem in change logs as continued lines are quite rare - and they _don't_ start with a left parenthesis. > > Besides that rationale, the problem that effects me is most frequently > -- more frequently than I like -- is that some one quotes an item in a > message to my friend Joe and he quotes it in a message to me. Quotes > are supposed to reflect what the original writer said and not be > corrupted by filling or anything like that (although they often are). > How often do you qoute and re-quote a ChangeLog entry? > I hate to say it, but you really do not want a fill-column of more > than 72. 70 is the standard based on regular computer monitors. > Printed books usually display less inter-line spacing and shorter > lines. With 8 chars indentation, fill-column = 72 + 8 = 80 should be ok then? Anyways, we have used 79 chars for ages now, so the question is not whether it makes sense, but how to enforce that policy. Doing it in add-log means that it applies to non-emacs change logs too. Doing it in emacs' own change logs applies to emacs only, so it will not interfere with other projects. So should we change the default fill-column for everybody, or just for emacs? -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk