From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Problems with new smtpmail Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:00:09 +0200 Organization: Programmerer Ingebrigtsen Message-ID: References: <87wrfwrxiu.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87oc17o1ho.fsf@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1309968374 520 80.91.229.12 (6 Jul 2011 16:06:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 16:06:14 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 06 18:06:10 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeUc1-0006R9-VV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:06:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34692 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QeUc0-0005hu-Ct for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 12:06:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55575) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QeUWa-0004Fr-Jj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 12:00:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QeUWY-0001t6-8O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 12:00:28 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:36748) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QeUWX-0001sC-Jn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 12:00:25 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeUWU-0003Ho-5Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:00:22 +0200 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:00:22 +0200 Original-Received: from larsi by cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:00:22 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no Mail-Copies-To: never X-Now-Playing: Various's _Delta Swamp Rock (2)_: "Big Star - Thirteen" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:FNdcv2/sh9P3f1USz2b6pBB6FEM= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:141659 Archived-At: Óscar Fuentes writes: > Dunno. In any case, if the server announces that it supports STARTTLS, > it is no reason for bailing out. Support for STARTTLS does not mean that > other authentication methods are unsupported. At least this server works > fine with user/pass auth. Ok. > And STARTTLS is not supported by Emacs (generic) or there was something > missing at configure time that makes *my* Emacs to lack STARTTLS? Yes. You compiled your Emacs without gnutls support, and you don't have gnutls-cli installed, either. > From reading NEWS again, it may seem that STARTTLS is supported but > not properly configured on my setup (missing > smtpmail-starttls-credentials, perhaps?) That variable doesn't exist, so, no. :-) > If that's the case, the error message is misleading. Saying > something like "STARTTLS is not properly configured, see > smtpmail-starttls-credentials variable" would be more helpful. No, the error message means what it says. > That's fine if you start from a clean setup, but my short experience > demonstrates that if you have previous settings, one ends confused. I think the only thing your example showed was that smtpmail was over-zealous in requiring STARTTLS if the server offered it... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/