From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Madhu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My resignation from Emacs development Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 14:56:39 +0530 Message-ID: References: <169c6564-4722-4338-a049-5f8f3ce69394@alphapapa.net> <86ldxbofgw.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35327"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Wg3zkgtu2bJW/yC1uuC5GwikZzs= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 22 12:37:01 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tERy9-00091C-Ej for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 12:37:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tERxM-0005IZ-5e; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 06:36:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEPvV-0006Wl-12 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 04:26:09 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEPvT-0003E0-LD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 04:26:08 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tEPvQ-00071r-KL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 10:26:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 06:36:10 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325582 Archived-At: * Eli Zaretskii <86ldxbofgw.fsf@gnu.org> : Wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 10:11:27 +0200: > So no, we are not "gerrymandering", and the reason we don't even > consider "reigning in" Stefan is because we see absolutely no problems > with his conduct, certainly no malice. And while it is easy to > bad-mouth our ways of leading the project "from the fences" by people > who are not really involved with the day in and day out hard work on > helping this community move forward, and never contributed anything > significant to that movement, the truth is very far from these claims. > You and Alfred, and even Po Lu, are well advised to tone down your > claims, and exercise much more humility when you post such vicious > personal attacks on Stefan and others. I offer the criticism in good faith, not out of any malice for Stefan but because I see the direction as being detrimental for the original goals of the project. (Mis)Characterising criticisms as vicious personal attacks and doubling on the claims and refuse to acknowledge the valid criticism does not help anyone except probably the project management. I understand your "advice" as a threat that further criticism will be cancelled and not dealt with.