more on smtpmail / gmail failure:

more on smtpmail / gmail failure:

[T. V. Raman]

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Attaching smtp trace. Note:Emacs is built without starttls
support on this machine -- perhaps that matters.

220 mx.google.com ESMTP b4sm4419441pba.75
250-mx.google.com at your service, [71.202.188.217]
250-SIZE 35882577
250-8BITMIME
250-STARTTLS
250 ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES

Process smtpmail deleted
MAIL FROM:<tv.raman.tv@gmail.com> SIZE=523
530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first. b4sm4419441pba.75
QUIT
221 2.0.0 closing connection b4sm4419441pba.75\r\x05ë-Eè\x1a­Û+jf§

Re: more on smtpmail / gmail failure:

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

"T. V. Raman" <tv.raman.tv@gmail.com> writes:

> Attaching smtp trace. Note:Emacs is built without starttls
> support on this machine -- perhaps that matters.

Uhm...  why?

> 220 mx.google.com ESMTP b4sm4419441pba.75.
> 250-mx.google.com at your service, [71.202.188.217].
> 250-SIZE 35882577.
> 250-8BITMIME.
> 250-STARTTLS.
> 250 ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES.
>
> Process smtpmail deleted
> MAIL FROM:<tv.raman.tv@gmail.com> SIZE=523.
> 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first. b4sm4419441pba.75.
> QUIT.
> 221 2.0.0 closing connection b4sm4419441pba.75.-- 

If your Emacs doesn't have STARTTLS support, and you don't have external
TLS support available, either, you can't send email via an SMTP server
that requires you to use STARTTLS.

I don't think there's anything Emacs can do about that.  Other than tell
the user "install gnutls-cli already, then".

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/

Re: more on smtpmail / gmail failure:

[Christoph Scholtes]

On 7/31/2011 8:32 AM, T. V. Raman wrote:
> Attaching smtp trace. Note:Emacs is built without starttls
> support on this machine -- perhaps that matters.

Are you running on Windows or GNU/Linux?

more on smtpmail / gmail failure:

[raman]

Clarification, I do have external starttls support, and Iam able
to send email via the older smtpmail.el -- that's how Iam sending
these messages.

I am writing from an older ubuntu (jaunty)box where the starttls
library is older than what --with-starttls in emacs 24 needs.


-- 
Best Regards,
--raman

-- 
Best Regards,
--raman

more on smtpmail / gmail failure:

[raman]

This is on gnu/Linux ubuntu Jaunty. I do have starttls configured
to use external starttls support, sorry my earlier message caused
confusion when I said Emacs was built with --without-starttls.

This is being sent with emacs 24, but with the older smtpmail.el
from somewhere in May/June.
-- 
Best Regards,
--raman

-- 
Best Regards,
--raman

more on smtpmail / gmail failure:

[raman]

Clarification, I do have external starttls support, and Iam able
to send email via the older smtpmail.el -- that's how Iam sending
these messages.

I am writing from an older ubuntu (jaunty)box where the starttls
library is older than what --with-starttls in emacs 24 needs.


-- 
Best Regards,
--raman

-- 
Best Regards,
--raman

-- 
Best Regards,
--raman

Re: more on smtpmail / gmail failure:

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

raman <tv.raman.tv@gmail.com> writes:

> Clarification, I do have external starttls support, and Iam able
> to send email via the older smtpmail.el -- that's how Iam sending
> these messages.

What does

(executable-find "gnutls-cli")

return for you?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/

more on smtpmail / gmail failure:

[T.V. Raman]

Aha That returns nil (executable-find "gnutls-cli")
 but I  have starttls installed -- which is what I've been using
 for smtpmail -- as well as other things like Jabber that need
 tls support.

-- 
Best Regards,
--raman


On 7/31/11, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> raman <tv.raman.tv@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Clarification, I do have external starttls support, and Iam able
>> to send email via the older smtpmail.el -- that's how Iam sending
>> these messages.
>
> What does
>
> (executable-find "gnutls-cli")
>
> return for you?
>
> --
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>   bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
>

more on smtpmail / gmail failure:

[raman]

Clarification, I do have external starttls support, and Iam able
to send email via the older smtpmail.el -- that's how Iam sending
these messages.

I am writing from an older ubuntu (jaunty)box where the starttls
library is older than what --with-starttls in emacs 24 needs.


-- 
Best Regards,
--raman

-- 
Best Regards,
--raman

-- 
Best Regards,
--raman

-- 
Best Regards,
--raman

-- 
Best Regards,
--raman

more on smtpmail / gmail failure:

[raman]

I also have openssl installed on the Jaunty box. I'll probably
upgrade this machine in the next few weeks, since it's now
impossible to install any packages on Jaunty -- but it would
still be nice if smtpmail worked like the tls.el library, which
uses either gnutls-cli or openssl depending on what is
available. At the time, I  had intentionally removed gnutls-bin
package because gnuuutls-cli was breaking emacs/W3, --- that is a
problem that very few emacs users would care about --- but
unfortunately I happen to be one of those who  still depends on
Emacs/W3 

--Raman 

-- 
Best Regards,
--raman

Re: more on smtpmail / gmail failure:

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

raman <tv.raman.tv@gmail.com> writes:

> I also have openssl installed on the Jaunty box. I'll probably
> upgrade this machine in the next few weeks, since it's now
> impossible to install any packages on Jaunty -- but it would
> still be nice if smtpmail worked like the tls.el library, which
> uses either gnutls-cli or openssl depending on what is
> available. At the time, I  had intentionally removed gnutls-bin
> package because gnuuutls-cli was breaking emacs/W3, --- that is a
> problem that very few emacs users would care about --- but
> unfortunately I happen to be one of those who  still depends on
> Emacs/W3 

So...  what are your starttls settings?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/

Re: more on smtpmail / gmail failure:

[T. V. Raman]

That's fine. But for the record, smtpmail.el on savannah git is
broken -- hope this saves other emacs users some time.

And emacs maintainers, Ihope this mess gets fixed before release.

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
    Lars> "T. V. Raman" <tv.raman.tv@gmail.com> writes:
    >> Sorry, bzr is not for me.
    Lars> 
    Lars> Then I can't help you.
    Lars> 
    Lars> -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose,
    Lars> milk.)  bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/

-- 
Best Regards,
--raman