From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: no-spam@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Menu suggestion Date: 03 May 2004 12:25:33 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20040503091335.8C4C.JMBARRANQUERO@wke.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083587472 2203 80.91.224.253 (3 May 2004 12:31:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 12:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon May 03 14:31:02 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKcb8-0005mL-00 for ; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:31:02 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKcb8-0007Bl-00 for ; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:31:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKcY0-0005Jj-GN for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 08:27:48 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKcX8-0005JL-2F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 08:26:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKcWZ-0005EI-QJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 08:26:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [212.88.64.25] (helo=mail-relay.sonofon.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKcWY-0005Dg-Tz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 08:26:19 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 91665 invoked from network); 3 May 2004 12:26:17 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk) (213.83.150.2) by 0 with SMTP; 3 May 2004 12:26:17 -0000 Original-To: Juanma Barranquero In-Reply-To: <20040503091335.8C4C.JMBARRANQUERO@wke.es> Original-Lines: 27 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22611 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22611 Juanma Barranquero writes: > On 30 Apr 2004 19:30:46 +0200 > storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) wrote: > > > It seems that a good part of the emacs developers don't actually use > > the emacs bindings -- > > I've been using Emacs daily for the past seven years, and I hardly use > C-f, C-b, etc. > > Yeah, they're faster than arrow keys if you're used to them, but perhaps > I don't usually need the raw typing speed, and I find them extremely > non-intuitive... (now, if we were talking of vi/nethack cursor motion > commands... :) So the tutorial could start by asking the user a number of quiestions: 1) Do you have a Happy Hacker keyboard ? 2) Do you use C-z, C-x, C-c, C-v for undo, cut, copy, and paste ? .. and then omit/include the relevant parts in the tutorial... -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk