From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:29:43 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87llc49kn1.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <6.2.0.14.2.20041212125027.024c6900@mail.comcast.net> <87d5xbd4it.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1103200453 11724 80.91.229.6 (16 Dec 2004 12:34:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, bob@rattlesnake.com, "Stephen J. Turnbull" , andy@xemacs.org Original-X-From: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Dec 16 13:34:02 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org ([199.184.165.135] ident=ident-user) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeupW-0004VU-00 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:34:02 +0100 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBGCTU3L032488; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:29:30 -0500 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBGCTS20032478 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:29:28 -0500 Original-Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBGCTRlJ032477 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:29:27 -0500 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBGCTF3q032447 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:29:16 -0500 Original-Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBGCTFwR032446 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:29:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-relay.sonofon.dk (mail-relay.sonofon.dk [212.88.64.25]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id iBGCTFlt032423 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:29:15 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 23538 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 12:29:08 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk) (213.83.150.2) by 0 with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 12:29:08 -0000 Original-To: David Kastrup In-Reply-To: (David Kastrup's message of "Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:58:12 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17481 gmane.emacs.devel:31204 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31204 David Kastrup writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> But >> personally I wish the FSF would amend the GFDL to remove the additional >> encumbering restrictions, or simply rename it the GNU Documentation >> License: >> >> "The GDL is a not-too-unfree documentation license that reserves >> certain non-economic rights to authors, while perpetually >> >> In our judgment, it is free. If you disagree, you're entitled >> to your opinion. > > If you want to produce a help sheet from the contents of the manual, > having to include the complete invariant sections might prove > prohibitive even where the scope and content of additional invariant > sections has not been chosen explicitly for encumbering further > distribution by a party in the middle. I haven't studied the GFDL, but IIUC, the issue raised here with the GFDL is this: It is not legal (execpt for the copyright owner) to take sections from a GFDL'ed text and incorporating that text into a GPL program or other GPL or GFDL (or similarly) licensed documentation without breaking the GFDL of the original text. Compare this to taking a section of one GPL program and including it in another GPL program -- that's fully legal (IIUC). -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk