From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: zlib autoconf question Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:12:39 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20995.38193.299757.55244@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20999.62420.118305.428747@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <83a9knr5px.fsf@gnu.org> <83r4dzos23.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1376323997 23491 80.91.229.3 (12 Aug 2013 16:13:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 12 18:13:17 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V8uk1-0004No-Kg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:13:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59435 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V8uk0-00053n-T1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:13:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44159) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V8ujt-00053B-CX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:13:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V8ujl-0002I1-Mi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:13:01 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:38374) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V8ujl-0002FS-Fi; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:12:53 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1V8ujY-0001oA-2c; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:12:40 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEUAAAB5bma/saOUh3uJ fXOnmYxEPzqcj4I714nFAAACSklEQVQ4jVVUPXfiMBBUCqgRnzW6KLRH1jy16GygPWQUt3ABUmOj t3//diXMxxYGz+zMjvQsCZGqO9BzKRe7vXitNy/PXIfJ+hWvxgQeJD2Pz0yXcJlqfD72HsRqfZD3 Oh/uczqXJ5yYcUtU8rVaSecSX4fDoiiGadCLoIiVmCh5297784wed8k/yzh3Z0nEzN2pSEyW53nB jb3kZFNrDkBUxgx5dea3fsuGTEUzIUZtILna2fEAAOKYvcAWr7X3ak12kBU8ZEpJczLq6yo4p4/G ANv2xJacydYqTwTW07whM2vH4hKDFn3PZSd60EBDjBSXtLRPRFTaVs6iaSiZFIxDZrWVg+0ozOot WXGySNBydVDgvKnCOyBTTOQUcVGhwnJhSpxtEDmxIJyIgGj1LixKmCFSYgDBO0QEgPtVejiYqkKu RkS8CbDRpiyzGnHGMKJg3Ji6WBWrq1e6WRDBIsERDNYDRdtVgmk+qxDNBNKkxoRSX/OCiEuNFARD JTZpxpR/SoNWkVHwfismNKlB44Ymy0u4jmbUjd5/iVOU8rYWpLCOfUjxV3xXkUAlM1PaEYclgV+K Az05RtAZyJECoLTeu73oEhGDB0XVmCSo6Gz0bxIDaUk0wLsP+uBOmjWRATZigftNxFnp5NYg0B5F geKvuttXLrnxgrjfq494DL6Vat1on6jfqXQMu7VS8RvhnNHo/XbUftSNiUUvy/Y0/3li6O/0cc55 bco5tqF6ujZ+1FMtxVOdHvjX6y1zbPHXS4Y3YEKonp/b9//zePdcS0efeQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Public Image Ltd.'s _Metal Box_: "Poptones" X-Hashcash: 1:23:130812:emacs-devel@gnu.org::IsNhrBWMKQMGw6LZ:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000IRym X-Hashcash: 1:23:130812:eliz@gnu.org::MXKpZbXxSGaN5YHe:00000WG76 X-Hashcash: 1:23:130812:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::AuXqd4X7B0O1HslG:0000000000000000000000000000000000000+PHR X-Hashcash: 1:23:130812:ulm@gentoo.org::NsEQheE01yUWxuL6:001EVf+ In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:05:30 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1V8ujY-0001oA-2c MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1376928760.2635@UxWVY2CCtGMjDPMSu9LXjA X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:162624 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > With an FFI you don't even need the headers. The library could be used > even if it didn't exist back when Emacs was built. If you look at how much scaffolding is typically needed to use a C library in Emacs, I'm not sure how realistic that is. I mean -- zlib is a pretty straightforward library. I look at decompress.c and try to envision how much Emacs Lisp would have to be exposed to C things, and I think it's perhaps ... a lot. I've done quite a bit of FFI in Lispworks. It's kinda grody. I frequently end up with a bit of C scaffolding just to make things easier. And Lispworks doesn't have all the funky concepts that Emacs has. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) No Gnus T-Shirt for sale: http://ingebrigtsen.no/no.php and http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2013/08/twenty-years-of-september.html