From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: James Cloos Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 04:30:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <87lfgahtcw.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87o8l51mh3.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0vt9tgx.fsf@protesilaos.com> <87v9fd1dyp.fsf@gnus.org> <87a6wp9rmv.fsf@protesilaos.com> <87r1q11bx3.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22446"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Protesilaos Stavrou , Juri Linkov , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 14 10:45:26 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kScPW-0005jF-Ai for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 10:45:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35698 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kScPV-0002dX-CY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 04:45:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38018) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kScOR-0001kT-Al for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 04:44:19 -0400 Original-Received: from ore.jhcloos.com ([192.40.56.151]:41880) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kScOO-0001wS-Ie for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 04:44:19 -0400 Original-Received: by ore.jhcloos.com (Postfix, from userid 10) id 3F65B1E56B; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 08:44:09 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jhcloos.com; s=ore17; t=1602665049; bh=zaqpNrWEKiUZJVuKuAmd49N7FXKFKby0rBOZG8OsYX0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=QNkPph5kRqu5ulj3F2YVHNNfy3UzSAAJ/E10Orl9lPHXynhWDPIdDq5LIFbh9a9mq P0usRgQ/xUDMCrDynzekI7/phf7VFD6i67MwIFq/5kdXqGBDjOFsU/a0dnFOKWYylq utzoFSkiGg76jpBEMAqcXeFtCRNxzDWnailBhxkTmkGMVpGsF2iOSgtJL2pKVOs5gs ZvgT3IL8ZjoSw1O+2KzgbYTDzI7uMjziwWB5eDDdXq0i7ahq+IygQe2I17ydjQ1qum oEBfOIlsutuIiQPeryxN1sNQ8cgWCCCinqe321BYoE9toO2Kgo7nIDYtZsCal/7Wf6 QrbDgLQtK9gzQ== Original-Received: by carbon.jhcloos.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id EA3632ADC9; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 08:30:48 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87r1q11bx3.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 14 Oct 2020 09:53:12 +0200") Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQAgMAAABinRfyAAAACVBMVEX///8ZGXBQKKnCrDQ3 AAAAJElEQVQImWNgQAAXzwQg4SKASgAlXIEEiwsSIYBEcLaAtMEAADJnB+kKcKioAAAAAElFTkSu QmCC Copyright: Copyright 2020 James Cloos OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6; url=https://jhcloos.com/public_key/0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6.asc OpenPGP-Fingerprint: E9E9 F828 61A4 6EA9 0F2B 63E7 997A 9F17 ED7D AEA6 Original-Lines: 17 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=192.40.56.151; envelope-from=cloos@jhcloos.com; helo=ore.jhcloos.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/14 04:44:13 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257624 Archived-At: >>>>> "LI" == Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: LI> There seemed to be some claims that even totally numerical elements LI> (that doesn't change the number of digits) also leads to shifts that'll LI> have to be handled (like display-time-mode), and that just isn't lining LI> up with my experiences. Opentype offers both fixed width and proportional digits (not to mention oldstyle). Some fonts default to proportinal. Most to fixed. DOCCIS is down now so I cannot remind myself how to ensure fixed width digits... -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6