From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Sean O'Rourke" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Post-22.1 development? Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:48:46 -0700 Message-ID: References: <878xb05ras.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <864plnorgn.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <85ps4ap0kh.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1181245744 27154 80.91.229.12 (7 Jun 2007 19:49:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:49:04 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 07 21:49:03 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HwNyd-0003sV-1n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:48:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwNyc-0007Qu-MV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:48:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HwNyZ-0007QQ-JK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:48:55 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HwNyY-0007Q4-0m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:48:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwNyX-0007Q1-RM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:48:53 -0400 Original-Received: from outbound1.ucsd.edu ([132.239.1.205]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HwNyX-0008Ik-7a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:48:53 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.ucsd.edu (smtp.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.49]) by outbound1.ucsd.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l57Jmos2029464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:48:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=2007001; d=ucsd.edu; c=simple; q=dns; b=Pk1k+BqcJCIPnG8bcCqoFcQZdy9AW7wWJvi9QS0ow5S+DMEcA42x+h6XJAe27jje7 5uU5oR3/Piyl07EdmOcXQ== Original-Received: from mister-foo.local ([128.54.220.221]) by smtp.ucsd.edu (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l57Jmnq0072890 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:48:50 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (darwin) X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:72436 Archived-At: Let me just put in a word for the Luddites here... > There's a long thread on fedora-devel (Why isn't emacs > installed by default) I have recently experienced similar "integration with a modern desktop environment" on Mac OS X, where we have the choice between standard Carbon Emacs and Aquamacs, which tries to behave more like other Mac applications. As a longtime Emacs user on many platforms, I find Aquamacs highly unpleasant. Many of its "enhancements," like widespread use of variable-width fonts, color themes, and pop-up frames, are counterproductive. I already have a number of lines in my .emacs disabling various bits of modernization (e.g. tooltip-mode, tool-bar-mode, blink-cursor-mode, enormous fringes on both sides), and expect that acceding to Gnome's wishes would just add to this list. Emacs has its own ways of doing things, and some of us prefer them, and believe they are better than more "modern" alternatives. There are many clear improvements available in modern environments, such as the option of having anti-aliased fonts. But I urge the Emacs developers to be wary of making changes simply because they make Emacs more "modern," and to continue to make it possible to disable such changes. /s