From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 11:15:22 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87mvr9wxqz.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87io1xwq1e.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87vb5wvzfz.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87io1wt4cc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <8737syoima.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <871t8iu277.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83d1s28kvh.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3gis7sm.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83twle71xy.fsf@gnu.org> <87io1us0te.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83pow26svf.fsf@gnu.org> <87a8n5srbp.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83d1s17npz.fsf@gnu.org> <87oablfpn3.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834mdd6llx.fsf@gnu.org> <7fbb8bc7-9a97-4bad-a103-a6690a35241d@default> <834mdc5w6o.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: John Wiegley NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455822968 32603 80.91.229.3 (18 Feb 2016 19:16:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 19:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, juri@linkov.net, Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 18 20:16:00 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aWU3S-0000o2-31 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 20:15:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44632 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aWU3R-0007DO-3n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 14:15:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58026) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aWU35-0007CG-27 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 14:15:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aWU33-0007VC-4b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 14:15:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pf0-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22b]:35174) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aWU2y-0007SY-U0; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 14:15:29 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pf0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id c10so37458654pfc.2; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 11:15:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:reply-to:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=lzHfE+D0HYB3645oSx+o+63vB5oGNkONpIAnfoBzAsY=; b=UcSxepxq0kouoz7kH+eZH7eqNDCtztjRajmZ0i3mWswBkfGRBLeTb+NCBMFdF+qkCe fTHAGH22Tfb/eEPPMV1ySM+8vMD9TuWCpUhNwy6jSsn9jIp2oUat1Kc20PgTGCkh3PJV wA1iD4yGjEqvJll4L+EEqzXMX0TUyL5Zzy4dAoWvhC1wIky5/aCST5yX/dK08wS+bElz 0+bbIUxJotSozhF5rki3yYyjNrD6/uD3wt48DjgC7oQP3MBH18x0eCPrIr1RrtyIslqL 5iEWO8XO+1EUS5Bc63cHNWm6ds07XTwC2eBX2XfIBrvUXc0aJ47aQWeB1rdt63YmyJdX 0Uig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id :references:user-agent:reply-to:mail-followup-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=lzHfE+D0HYB3645oSx+o+63vB5oGNkONpIAnfoBzAsY=; b=EUTyQBUtvw11QEr8HxHIEjLlNAi0xHHTI5x7Qf64y0nn/p6EVJpRsSHL2VDdcVEJYm MMZKYQKq6H4geQkIS5QWUq/ZWcZxlq0yh7AG9CZsv7cJQesNjr5+kep5UrpBbQaQPNL0 /lrZFfbFENxyacQ8tVlS1512XMyDEBkthrSFtEasC3uVJ3s+B6ZXlrio7e9CHuzgM0t6 fFfTJS+BIb2tZZtCUSLChaGbe0fvbPt3cpfyZivDxmen8QpKVMFxcyWlDLt1zLkQ6tI9 Mm8BxgvznRALtw7y4FXBDJjAEY5Zm98LfK00if/gzccc1ZnrpUdch9KMOFN565yC5+YP Uh5w== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQifNx5QgvuFASlnmnFcGvO35hP8NvLYc5DW55OcZiE1HRqE4A7YrSwBj2cFhaXxQ== X-Received: by 10.98.19.12 with SMTP id b12mr12413057pfj.29.1455822928084; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 11:15:28 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 85sm12145692pfl.18.2016.02.18.11.15.26 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 18 Feb 2016 11:15:26 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9B594130B02F8; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 11:15:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <834mdc5w6o.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 13 Feb 2016 19:58:39 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams , ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200149 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Eli, I see you've kept a running tally of votes for the default nature of this feature. Do you have a summary yet? Given the sheer volume of concerned response, both for and against, my inclination is to vote OFF by default, until we have more experience and understanding. However, if the tally shows a distinct majority (at least 2/= 3) wanting it on by default, I'll take that account. We can always turn it back on in a later release -- and users can always configure it at any time -- so this isn't a cliff we're driving off of. It's more a question of how much use (and thus, feedback) the feature will recei= ve during 25.x if we turn it off by default. =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJWxhhKAAoJEMFE2PTxn+Ywl5QL/3605ESr3S0aawcD9fpzReHu 2+N2T4/RM3jl7awpHS5BvlCanjBoGru/MHVMOT1Yjl+GDL5Zq6+py/Dn0pEDGbCi bqQgHLw+cUS1uDc7Z0lgnJCleQSnSG4nDc5QKobKgrDiEAhzq9v/dh0bcPVMQ7ji hpR75lOHUW6gZC9GofkzwH82feKnqHQ+dOtdgRMWYO6FbYi5NDbWQxlPpWXG/b9V QYVzyk7XJu16zy1wGfTFAPZfO6lfsbUo5/PgY55FADyccFOlSxTQPS+tzYGW8B1f 4JNmRRZRFtwHX5hvAxrJyI1PdnMueBm1TcuwsU5Bu4MR1LOZMwEaOyLmc7x+CSvG KAhhCS82+zUPqB7vTbY1a3hR4crjBByjrIDcAbseg0KyeEIob2KQ2FCEHlhFi40l TK8lovivGBU95mRaIAmohCGtl6upbaxuwU5Pj0cQPmAcIo0eDfH8rmfC2iTblJPU iqidqtKKq72Hn18EgXEPj5Xibw/8YiG2txwepCVk2g== =xx6O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--