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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ql1sm25058039pac.24.2016.03.07.07.45.02 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 07 Mar 2016 07:45:02 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id A321A134B5DE4; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 07:45:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <874mcicnsn.fsf@oremacs.com> (Oleh Krehel's message of "Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:26:00 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.92 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Oleh Krehel , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201043 Archived-At: >>>>> Oleh Krehel writes: > Like I said, it's up to you to decide what to do. You've already shown favor > to the testing and bug-squashing directions for the Emacs development. > > In my opinion, the coding style could be another useful direction. I do think coding style can be of value, but I'd rate it at far lower importance than testing and bug-squashing. The reason being that improving tests and reducing bugs benefits all of our users, while coding styles mostly benefit the people on this list. > - Removing the ambiguity about `indent-tabs-mode'. What is the ambiguity? > - Working on something like `pretty-print-buffer': a command to > automatically eliminate hanging parens, consecutive spaces, multi-variable > `setq'; and re-indent everything. This could be quite nice! > - Extending the checkdoc to find more warnings in the code style, like > unresolved declarations etc. Agreed. > - Formalizing the C code style, tutorials, contribution guidelines etc. > Maybe we could have a linter for C. Yes! > I think it would be great if at some moment we could stop thinking how a > code looks, and only think about what it does. And ignoring how it looks > isn't really a great solution - it may work for some, doesn't work for me at > the moment. Personally I'd love that too. I'd just rather see the bugs under much better control before putting too much energy in this direction, as its likely to generate a lot of debate. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2