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[174.192.22.125]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s71sm23078961qkl.22.2017.02.02.18.01.53 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 02 Feb 2017 18:01:53 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Hermes.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7453F8B15E3; Thu, 2 Feb 2017 21:01:52 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87efzk2xg8.fsf@gmail.com> (Edward John Steere's message of "Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:51:19 +0200") Mail-Followup-To: Edward John Steere , David Engster , Bastien Guerry , Emacs developers , Phillip Lord , emacs-org list , Kaushal Modi X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::242 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:211904 gmane.emacs.orgmode:111881 Archived-At: >>>>> "EJS" == Edward John Steere writes: EJS> What I think that we shouldn't lose sight of (if I may suggest it): is EJS> that packaging CEDET, Org Mode and other packages like them in a process EJS> which integrates them only when producing the tarball would serve to EJS> simplify things for everyone. Emacs core wouldn't be able to depend on EJS> packages which are more relevant to the users (and package developers) of EJS> Emacs, but these packages would still there like they always have been EJS> when one downloads binary Emacs. This is the very point I was hoping to make, thanks Edward. If it can simplify things for everyone, great; if it really will only complicate things, not so great. Many software projects have package ecosystems surrounding them that deal with similar issues, and I can't, off-hand, think of cases where the answer was "let's move some of those packages into core development to ease ___". This is why I find it a bit surprising that some feel so strongly about keeping these large, external packages in core. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2