From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: mailclient-send-it usage of browse-url Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 02:34:17 +0200 Message-ID: References: <86DDDA9D-2655-4B6C-A54E-AA87521C74E9@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1271378090 14356 80.91.229.12 (16 Apr 2010 00:34:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: chad , "christian.lynbech@tieto.com>" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 16 02:34:48 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O2ZWC-0002bx-EG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 02:34:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33274 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O2ZWB-0005qP-TV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:34:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O2ZW7-0005pZ-3i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:34:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41521 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O2ZW5-0005oI-G0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:34:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O2ZW3-00043i-Lx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:34:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f225.google.com ([209.85.218.225]:53299) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O2ZW3-00043Q-B8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:34:39 -0400 Original-Received: by bwz25 with SMTP id 25so2056333bwz.8 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:34:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:received:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=Fv4N3SgurMHl7fe4CHOVZiMp3hgT2ZGJRSaMH1xW2ug=; b=m+YLsGtKcx57XcmHTtykfQIKuHbJkcrb+1ELj5HoOGGMhbkprBQTCcpcB20cbeE1Mx yhsYwGNIfqywza0sGk0k3vN9VH9VNgcfeNQ4fYOCCUnV2b9UTqt/n2ehR4LvLiaaN55r jbqmx54VUV9ZxenrQX8P7Zl0W1l714AgQseGQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=qgD4lmLweAp5QUxFTRAZ0bWfnnP+olKeYI1/CKzwd3+BuZxolGrA9FI62dUd8HEeob 0EzWe+t+c0VlFLFJcsClwTRcSLUDbn3Uk959P6FT6tR3u1eF/UFX50wjpReQ536GpxMt +YU71Drdw6qLLovatTL7cVg8ydOACds1wmSwQ= Original-Received: by 10.239.169.18 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:34:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Original-Received: by 10.103.3.39 with SMTP id f39mr533208mui.83.1271378077187; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:34:37 -0700 (PDT) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:123734 Archived-At: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:14 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Better, but not good enough IMO since it does not work for web mail >> and a lot of users might have that. > > Maybe it won't quite do the best possible thing, but it does solve the > main problem: using an interface where the user is likely to send a bug > report that will just get silently dropped somewhere along the way. > > Furthermore, the current code tries mostly to let the "system" figure out > what MUA to use, so if a user is using webmail as her MUA, then the > "system" should know about it; and if the "system" can't be told to use > that webmail system, then it's a problem in the "system". Yes, it is a system failure, but are we not trying to get around these here for the purpose of getting the bug reports? I believe the two step procedure of first displaying a web page and then letting the user click a mail link there is a little bit more likely to succeed. I myself has resorted to copy-and-paste when sending bug reports because of the bad integration with web mail. Here is how gmail web mail works currently with the best possible w32 system integration (affixa + gmail): - When "opening" a mailto url affixa catches it and saves it to the gmail draft folder. And it ask some not very good question first. - This means there is an empty mail in the draft folder addressed to bug-gnu-emacs. - To send the message I have to open the draft folder in the gmail web interface and then copy the message from the clipboard to it. Of course I do not do that. I just create a new message from the gmail web interface. However even without installing the affixa firefox knows that I am using gmail. Unfortunately firefox does not care to tell w32 that so it only works from web pages, not from w32 "open" mailto calls. (That is why I am suggesting the two step workaround.)