From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Feature freezes and Emacs 25 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:48:35 -0800 Message-ID: References: <86zizdczhp.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <871tc315y3.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83k2pvqg0l.fsf@gnu.org> <837fluqkd1.fsf@gnu.org> <87oaf1s82r.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r3jwdp3p.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87h9krj27a.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447346973 14507 80.91.229.3 (12 Nov 2015 16:49:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Juri Linkov To: Artur Malabarba Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 12 17:49:14 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwv3g-00058I-Ad for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 17:49:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48017 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwv3f-0001KY-Mx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 11:49:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37050) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwv3G-00019c-45 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 11:48:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwv3C-0004g2-3M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 11:48:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x229.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::229]:36430) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwv3B-0004fq-LF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 11:48:42 -0500 Original-Received: by pacdm15 with SMTP id dm15so69700922pac.3 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:48:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Sc//F3xYmTeTDmbY0I/5trZmY81FZigSHw4o2syOgn0=; b=dnCcyv/vzkMukOuQf8uDAn88/gqPnmB46G4u+XLfbv+WaIZKqhEwJjn+AbYJmJyzn+ xUDQPFMoBVZnz1VB7ew4wco8ZbnfJDBQF5KXdrahziO/QywDqXzoIkKvbEXqYqQdY38f mFzEi/AHO6fY48hg/vaF6PK2P6j2Bw4Ycx7qz5Rd6X02XpfgasSCrqMLiYyNRlRXs+1Y WHwPQBUKHJBrxKiBwKFK7Ky/I+X8jWdUPTis4xNRBkUUjLls6FNoDa9vuIjOZ/uPeGQd yp59RPXsdyCKepnBZ3K3DPE0nFmWRPkIEP4XxauHj42sSnJKDK+cuMepr7vZktdGxz4R ERcQ== X-Received: by 10.66.254.39 with SMTP id af7mr24105485pad.43.1447346920557; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:48:40 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Vulcan.attlocal.net (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id qn5sm15712014pac.41.2015.11.12.08.48.39 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:48:39 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.attlocal.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id 32D3A105734DA; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:48:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87h9krj27a.fsf@gmail.com> (Artur Malabarba's message of "Thu, 12 Nov 2015 04:01:29 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Artur Malabarba , Juri Linkov , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194252 Archived-At: >>>>> Artur Malabarba writes: > Call me a buzzkill, but I actually like to know that =E2=80=9Csensitive= =E2=80=9D features > are going to get a good amount of testing before being called =E2=80=9Cst= able=E2=80=9D. =F0=9F=98=84 If it's something you care about, consider that motivation to do more testi= ng during the pre-release cycle. :) Whatever feature is introduced, until it is released the only ones who will test it are the developers building from Emacs.git. A pre-release tarball actually has a much larger audience. And we always have the option of backi= ng out the change if it receives too much bad feedback. > That's twice as valid when the code involves some decisions that we're go= ing > to have to live with afterwards (yes window*-start, I'm looking at you = =F0=9F=98=89). Agreed. When it comes to modifying core functionality, we need to proceed v= ery cautiously. John