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[76.234.69.149]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 135sm87219748pgc.7.2016.11.30.13.44.34 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:44:34 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 8518846D4CBF; Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:44:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Daniel Colascione's message of "Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:35:57 -0800") Mail-Followup-To: Daniel Colascione , Eli Zaretskii , Paul Eggert , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::236 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209839 Archived-At: >>>>> "DC" == Daniel Colascione writes: DC> It's not an ultimatum: I'm merely being up-front about the that work I am DC> willing to do and the work that I am not willing to do. I am not willing DC> to work on this code in a branch, because if I do, it is very likely that DC> this code will never be merged --- just like the concurrency branch. BTW, the concurrency branch has the green light. If anyone is willing to work to resolve its remaining issues, they can merge it to master once ready. DC> Putting this code on a branch is burying it. Do you want to reject code DC> that *exists* and that solves real problems on the basis of one DC> developer's philosophical objections and preference for code that does not DC> exist, that nobody has signed up to write, and that I insist will never DC> perform adequately? How disappointed do you want to make people who've DC> written working code that solves real problems? Until you're code is tested on more platforms, it needs to live someplace other than master. That's what branches are for. I agree with Eli that it doesn't need to be merged *today*. However, I also agree with RMS, and you, that at least it's a working solution (to some extent), so if we can't think of something better during the time you're ironing the wrinkles out, it ought to go in until we do. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2