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From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Native line numbers landed on master
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 09:19:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2y2xu8jxe.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83blurxw6a.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 08 Oct 2019 15:23:57 +0300")

>>>>> On Tue, 08 Oct 2019 15:23:57 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:

    Eli> Instead of "Lisp-level" and "C-level", which IMO are somewhat unclear,
    Eli> I'd use the likes of "the name of the variable to be used by Lisp
    Eli> programs" and "the name of the variable in the C source".

Done

    >> +@item doc
    >> +The documentation for the variable, as a C comment.

    Eli> Here, please include a cross-reference to the tips about writing doc
    Eli> strings.

Done

    >> +  By convention, when defining variables of a ``native'' type
    >> +(@code{int} and @code{bool}), the name of the C variable is the same
    >> +as the name of the Lisp variable with ``-'' replaced by ``_''.  When
    >> +the variable can hold any Lisp object, the convention is
    >> +to also prefix the C variable name with ``V''.  i.e.

    Eli> I think -, _, and V should be in @code or @samp, not in quotes.  Also,
    Eli> I'd mention explicitly that the C data type of the latter category is
    Eli> Lisp_Object.

Done

    >> +If you want to define a constant symbol rather than a variable, use
    >> +@code{DEFSYM} instead.  e.g.
    >> +
    >> +@smallexample
    >> +DEFSYM ("Qmy_symbol", "my-symbol");
    >> +@end smallexample

    Eli> This is IMO confusing, because it doesn't explain when would the C
    Eli> programmer want "to define a constant symbol rather than a variable".
    Eli> I think it's important to explain that the symbol corresponding to a
    Eli> variable is needed where in Lisp one would use a quoted symbol.  A
    Eli> good example is the use of specbind which is the equivalent of
    Eli> let-binding on the Lisp level.

Not just confusing, my example was wrong. I expanded that bit.

    Eli> Bonus points for adding information missing from the above, such as
    Eli> how to define buffer-local variables (see init_buffer_once), and how
    Eli> to define custom forms for variables defined in C.

Youʼre a hard taskmaster Eli :-) . Iʼve done my best, although I donʼt
see where init_buffer_once comes in.

Thereʼs a sentence further down that talks about cus-start.el, I added
a cross-reference to the defcustom node.

* doc/lispref/internals.texi (Writing Emacs Primitives): Add
description of DEFVAR_* arguments.  Describe variable naming
conventions. Explain 'specbind' and how to create buffer-local
variables.

diff --git a/doc/lispref/internals.texi b/doc/lispref/internals.texi
index c52999e1cd..45725c3c80 100644
--- a/doc/lispref/internals.texi
+++ b/doc/lispref/internals.texi
@@ -945,7 +945,7 @@ Writing Emacs Primitives
 @anchor{Defining Lisp variables in C}
 @vindex byte-boolean-vars
 @cindex defining Lisp variables in C
-@cindex @code{DEFVAR_INT}, @code{DEFVAR_LISP}, @code{DEFVAR_BOOL}
+@cindex @code{DEFVAR_INT}, @code{DEFVAR_LISP}, @code{DEFVAR_BOOL}, @code{DEFSYM}
   The function @code{syms_of_@var{filename}} is also the place to define
 any C variables that are to be visible as Lisp variables.
 @code{DEFVAR_LISP} makes a C variable of type @code{Lisp_Object} visible
@@ -956,15 +956,71 @@ Writing Emacs Primitives
 defined with @code{DEFVAR_BOOL} are automatically added to the list
 @code{byte-boolean-vars} used by the byte compiler.
 
+  These macros all expect three arguments:
+
+@table @code
+@item lname
+The name of the variable to be used by Lisp programs.
+@item vname
+The name of the variable in the C sources.
+@item doc
+The documentation for the variable, as a C
+comment.  @xref{Documentation Basics} for more details.
+@end table
+
+  By convention, when defining variables of a ``native'' type
+(@code{int} and @code{bool}), the name of the C variable is the name
+of the Lisp variable with @code{-} replaced by @code{_}.  When the
+variable has type @code{Lisp_Object}, the convention is to also prefix
+the C variable name with ``V''.  i.e.
+
+@smallexample
+DEFVAR_INT ("my-int-variable", my_int_variable,
+           doc: /* An integer variable.  */);
+
+DEFVAR_LISP ("my-lisp-variable", Vmy_lisp_variable,
+           doc: /* A Lisp variable.  */);
+@end smallexample
+
+  There are situations in Lisp where you need to refer to the symbol
+itself rather than the value of that symbol.  One such case is when
+temporarily overriding the value of a variable, which in Lisp is done
+with @code{let}.  In C sources, this is done by defining a
+corresponding, constant symbol, and using @code{specbind}.  By
+convention @code{Qmy_lisp_variable} corresponds to
+@code{Vmy_lisp_variable}; to define it, use the @code{DEFSYM} macro.
+i.e.
+
+@smallexample
+DEFSYM (Qmy_lisp_variable, "my-lisp-variable");
+@end smallexample
+
+  To perform the actual binding:
+
+@smallexample
+specbind (Qmy_lisp_variable, Qt);
+@end smallexample
+
+  Another use for constant symbols is when creating a buffer-local
+variable (@pxref{Buffer-Local Variables}).  In C this is done with
+@code{Fmake_variable_buffer_local} in combination with @code{DEFSYM},
+i.e.
+
+@smallexample
+DEFSYM (Qmy_lisp_variable, "my-lisp-variable");
+Fmake_variable_buffer_local (Qmy_lisp_variable);
+@end smallexample
+
 @cindex defining customization variables in C
   If you want to make a Lisp variable that is defined in C behave
 like one declared with @code{defcustom}, add an appropriate entry to
-@file{cus-start.el}.
+@file{cus-start.el}.  @xref{Variable Definitions} for a description of
+the format to use.
 
 @cindex @code{staticpro}, protection from GC
-  If you define a file-scope C variable of type @code{Lisp_Object},
-you must protect it from garbage-collection by calling @code{staticpro}
-in @code{syms_of_@var{filename}}, like this:
+  If you directly define a file-scope C variable of type
+@code{Lisp_Object}, you must protect it from garbage-collection by
+calling @code{staticpro} in @code{syms_of_@var{filename}}, like this:
 
 @example
 staticpro (&@var{variable});



  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-09  7:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-08  7:58 Native line numbers landed on master Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-08  8:41 ` martin rudalics
2017-07-08 10:23   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-08 22:38 ` Alex
2017-07-09 14:22   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-09 22:56     ` Alex
2017-07-10 17:50       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-10 20:31         ` Alex
2017-07-11 15:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-11 20:44             ` Alex
2017-07-12 14:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-16  7:30                 ` Alex
2017-07-16 14:10                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-16 19:31                     ` Alex
2017-07-17 15:00                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-17 20:34                         ` Alex
2017-07-22  9:18                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-10 22:19     ` John Wiegley
2017-07-11  2:29       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-11 15:27     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-11 16:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-11 16:16         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-11 17:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-11 17:48             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-11 18:04               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-11 18:19                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-11 18:18               ` Sharp-quoting function symbols (Was: Native line numbers landed on master) Kaushal Modi
2017-09-30 18:36                 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-12-30 21:09                   ` Philipp Stephani
2017-07-10 16:51 ` Native line numbers landed on master Filipe Silva
2017-07-11 13:00 ` Robert Pluim
2017-07-11 13:37   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-11 13:47     ` Robert Pluim
2017-07-11 14:19       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-11 15:24   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-11 15:29     ` Robert Pluim
2017-07-11 16:07       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-11 16:12         ` Robert Pluim
2017-07-11 17:33           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-12  3:23 ` Kaushal Modi
2017-07-12  7:11   ` martin rudalics
2017-07-12 14:27     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-12 15:49       ` martin rudalics
2017-07-15 22:02 ` Yuri D'Elia
2017-07-16  2:34   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-16 14:25     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-17  9:44       ` Yuri D'Elia
2017-07-17 14:16         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-10  2:46   ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-06-10  8:32     ` Yuri D'Elia
2019-06-10 12:38       ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-06-10 15:22     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-10 15:32       ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-06-10 15:33       ` Yuri D'Elia
2019-06-10 15:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-10 16:23           ` Yuri D'Elia
2019-06-10 17:41             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-30 10:01               ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-09-30 10:21                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-01  5:44                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-01  7:05                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-01  8:49                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-01  8:55                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-01  9:26                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-01  9:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-01  9:09                     ` Yuri D'Elia
2019-10-01  9:21                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-01  9:51                         ` Yuri D'Elia
2019-10-01 10:23                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-01 10:40                             ` Yuri D'Elia
2019-10-01 10:39                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-01 10:47                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-01 11:07                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-01 11:11                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-01 22:52                             ` Ergus
2019-10-01 23:51                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-02  3:41                                 ` Ergus
2019-10-02  9:40                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-02 13:56                                     ` Ergus
2019-10-02 15:06                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-03  4:11                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-03  8:16                                     ` martin rudalics
2019-10-03 14:43                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-03  9:10                                     ` Robert Pluim
2019-10-03 14:47                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-03 15:18                                         ` Robert Pluim
2019-10-03 20:37                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-03 21:48                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-03 22:37                                             ` Yuri D'Elia
2019-10-04  1:51                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-04  7:45                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-04  9:52                                                   ` Yuri D'Elia
2019-10-04 10:24                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-05  6:26                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-07  0:14                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-07  6:54                                                         ` Robert Pluim
2019-10-07  7:39                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-07  8:09                                                             ` Robert Pluim
2019-10-07  8:39                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-07 18:52                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-08  0:57                                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-19 20:38                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-07 16:30                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-08 11:15                                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2019-10-08 12:23                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-09  7:19                                                                     ` Robert Pluim [this message]
2019-10-09  8:16                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-09 12:14                                                                         ` Robert Pluim
2019-10-09 12:23                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-09 13:19                                                                             ` Robert Pluim
2019-10-09 10:51                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-04 10:22                                                   ` Ergus
2019-10-04 10:26                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-03 12:28                                     ` Yuri Khan
2019-10-03 14:48                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-03 17:56                                         ` Yuri D'Elia
2019-10-03 18:40                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-03 19:01                                             ` Yuri D'Elia
2019-10-04  2:01                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-04  5:01                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-04 15:57                                                 ` Johan Bockgård
2019-10-04 17:28                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-04 19:24                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-04 20:12                                                       ` Yuri D'Elia
2019-10-04 22:45                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-06 14:04                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-06 14:45                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-06 18:02                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-01  9:24                       ` Eli Zaretskii

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