From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Fleischer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gitlab Migration Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 10:07:50 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87h7fcnmq0.fsf@posteo.net> <87o89kw0hl.fsf@gnus.org> <0c369b25-aedd-1fdf-4813-503f27e42c7c@yandex.ru> <874kbbznwv.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29506"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.6.3; emacs 28.0.50 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 27 10:08:01 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mJWu9-0007W8-JL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 10:08:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54844 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJWu8-0002pF-IA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 04:08:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53508) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJW8I-0004XZ-TE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 03:18:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ed1-x530.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::530]:34436) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJW8E-0005nH-8M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 03:18:33 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ed1-x530.google.com with SMTP id i6so8588033edu.1 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 00:18:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:references:user-agent:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version; bh=gp7P9/oDdGM9RM7EiefylS5ThKXY+ooiV1PhBhKH6tM=; b=MjYsreUq4D3/1rlfOslqxmKcAah+ZHl0GgxvEuuR68nOf1ZJLvV9lOYx9nxMJ4zylg J1b7P3siBmqBTb7Db3ZHaz86KXYuPUcRbXP/ldjVLiX0JbcQIwYwxBXywoElBwycLL6p tINXujalGTeofDm2openpTRQqfk+BgtcaTdaNZDwTNiEZSogS53JHiA0ZJUThXGSC+Id q6Bx4mKr/2YXi7VmbdIJqjUlgQJuiDN4fJ74oh07KJAmFBprtyJ2IesX9OU3tlRUL2jM CLqj7VZvixNOe3uSXv/stmxH4qzl8wG+gj257w24vUyw8TEHgo/Qr8oLv/gZ48vh+yDx z7IA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:references:user-agent :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version; bh=gp7P9/oDdGM9RM7EiefylS5ThKXY+ooiV1PhBhKH6tM=; b=L27hoBySVIYyjMth/In6qcTHWG1Rs6lAvi/B2XV/jZeMUd/j64TxFjRaZxfcXYXb2y ZENB8Prjl6HFOeapDz2uSKl9FHBTRiIWRZUfr1qJUVd4Ep1xRG7nlt69LdN/mqXyYGC5 3HiZrC98NC/RtPPlz4yDCjgoy+LTc1+yAuDEyq4nZkrtcaFq1uG6aVp3DsqVbewditNO To2dR2BLZrI4DSeeN61y7kRrujmVOHHD/wfMawHVZSvDJpx4Du2qmLM6C7Ol5U0jxvZm wKnJs1uWfCrGYdYQMddEfXlF5fB6WICKCkyhwOFLfK6pKwLoUv7zNzYSSChC/+c+LQyb VANA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5321ATgu9SbL/Qklbtfol1OQcTOuVSp2bpNP4rIcPjrX5PEnLzAG zQSd7Ls3hFbz6+5r/Nf8pFenr/YhCT4O4Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw5Ey5c2N+nF0BjkJVS7HaskZPoO3hf6mlBL6lDBLpErvvH0KVODvpENsLFyM4w8sg3FmC2sQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:27cd:: with SMTP id c13mr8271466ede.266.1630048708683; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 00:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Home-Mac ([141.226.10.22]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g9sm2376162ejo.60.2021.08.27.00.18.27 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 27 Aug 2021 00:18:28 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: <874kbbznwv.fsf@gmail.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::530; envelope-from=danflscr@gmail.com; helo=mail-ed1-x530.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273133 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Tim Cross [2021-08-27 Fri 11:01] *wrote*: > I'm not sure this is true. I think virtually all developers are forced > to suffer email, but a gorwing number don't use it. Often, all the > discussions, notifications, comments etc are actually consumed via a > mobile 'app'. For these users, logging into their inbox is frustrating > and inconvenient because their inbox is full of pointless and old > messages/notifications/alerts they have already seen/received via other > channels. For these users, the primary reason they have an email address > is to have something to put into the 'login' box for web services they > use. Telling these users to use email to submit a patch is very similar > to me being told when I started using email that I had to send in a hard > copy via snail mail. It's a very intersting point about what email represent to different people that arising from this discussion. I'm half your age and use email for 2 reasons: 1. It's an identify for today's web. As such, it's becoming the main tool for tracking (especially as cookies phase out), so I use multiple boxes and regard them is disposable and spam-infected. 2. Receiving official documents from institutions. I don't talk to family, friends or coworkers via mail. Personally, I think it's old, not secure or private by default, very inconsistent (HTML rendering is arbitrary vs. text, multiple MUA) and just can't imagine using it as a software engineering tool. *Daniel Fleischer* --=-=-=--