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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273484 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Dmitry Gutov [2021-08-30 Mon 15:20] wrote: > Yes, as is now apparent from multiple arguments around the subject, appealing to newcomers (and/or trying to adopt > contemporary usability practices) is of much lesser priority than, say, making sure that each key binding that has been > with us for a number of years, is left unchanged for ever. We hate to risk inconveniencing existing users. Key bindings are important! *Daniel Fleischer* --=-=-=--