From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: William Xu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: help-fns.el patch for commands to describe options and commands Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:25:04 +0900 Organization: the Church of Emacs Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1192944394 8494 80.91.229.12 (21 Oct 2007 05:26:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:26:34 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 21 07:26:35 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IjTKX-0001sK-Dp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:26:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjTKP-0007hI-Rt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:26:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IjTKL-0007gi-NA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:26:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IjTKK-0007gB-HU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:26:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjTKK-0007g6-7M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:26:16 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IjTKJ-0004Cu-NT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:26:16 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IjTJo-0000S5-0e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:25:44 +0000 Original-Received: from khp059140005246.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp ([59.140.5.246]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:25:44 +0000 Original-Received: from william.xwl by khp059140005246.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:25:44 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: khp059140005246.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.50 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:XiJeU93qNSErOrkAmkK8+SmsaSg= X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:81336 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> Yes. When you are looking for a command, you don't want to see a zillion >> non-interactive functions as candidates. This cuts down that noise >> *considerably*. > > I could buy that. But those users for whom it matters most won't know to > use the C-u prefix. And usually the C-u prefix means something like "give > me more control", so it would make more sense to only list commands/options > and let C-u specify that we actually want to see all functions/variables. I like Drew's idea. But if i have to C-u everytime to see all functions/variables, then it would be a great pain writing elisps.. On the contrary, C-u is not friendly to newbies. So maybe a better solution is to add/redefine two new bindings, `C-h c' and `C-h o' for commands and options, respectively. [Currently `C-h c' is binded to describe-key-briefly, which i find myself nearly never use..] -- William http://williamxu.net9.org