From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sascha Wilde Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:53:55 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878x1os6mt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <47B39231.8010108@gmail.com> <200802151711.m1FHB3Y3008798@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <85ablvftqe.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87hcg1xo6q.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87fxvlcc0i.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203696487 25207 80.91.229.12 (22 Feb 2008 16:08:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:08:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, dann@ics.uci.edu, Stefan Monnier , storm@cua.dk, acm@muc.de, miles@gnu.org To: Bastien Guerry Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 22 17:08:31 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JSaRO-0000iP-Iq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:08:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSaQt-00071x-Cu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:07:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSaE1-0006hM-Mp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:54:13 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSaDz-0006gc-Pj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:54:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSaDz-0006gY-GE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:54:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mail2.sha-bang.de ([78.47.120.114] helo=mail.sha-bang.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JSaDr-0004BM-7B; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:54:03 -0500 Original-Received: from kenny.sha-bang.de (xdslaa220.osnanet.de [82.149.178.220]) by mail.sha-bang.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51831562; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:04:20 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from wilde by kenny.sha-bang.de with local (Sha Bang MUA v.0711184.68) ID 1JSaDj-0004Ge-UI; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:53:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87fxvlcc0i.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> (Bastien Guerry's message of "Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:16:13 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:05:24 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89977 Archived-At: Bastien Guerry wrote: > Sascha Wilde writes: > >> Bastien wrote: >>> Stefan Monnier writes: >>>> For people who use the mark(s) for navigational purposes, pushing the >>>> mark is an operation comparable to saving point to a register. >>>> So the fact that TMM starts to highlight the text between that mark and >>>> point is just a hassle. >>> >>> What about this: >>> >>> C-SPC set the mark and temporarily turn on Transient Mark mode >>> C-@ only sets the mark >>> >>> C-SPC C-SPC would be used to temporarily negate transient-mark-mode. >>> (For now it does not *negate* it, it turns it on temporarily.) >> >> Veto. >> >> I think the current behavior is quite convenient and fits the needs of >> those who don't want a permanent transient-mark-mode best. > > My point is that there are really two ways of having the active region > highlighted by default: either by setting transient-mark-mode to t, or > by letting C-SPC turn Transient Mark mode temporarily on. The difference is that in the case of setting transient-mark-mode to t I can still put (transient-mark-mode -1) in my .emacs file to get back the old behavior. In case of the later "solution" there would be no way to get back the original behavior -- or am I mistaken? cheers sascha -- Sascha Wilde : "The PROPER way to handle HTML postings is to cancel the article, then hire a hitman to kill the poster, his wife and kids, and fuck his dog and smash his computer into little bits. Anything more is just extremism." -- Paul Tomblin