From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean O'Rourke Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:04:08 -0700 Message-ID: References: <10697146.3630221218551689983.JavaMail.www@wwinf4615> <20080812171404.GB7999@muc.de> <20080813092057.GA3010@muc.de> <20080814083817.GA2593@muc.de> <877iak7xfp.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <873al79akr.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218773104 407 80.91.229.12 (15 Aug 2008 04:05:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:05:04 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 15 06:05:56 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KTqZ7-00050e-6a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:05:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56927 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KTqYA-0007yU-Mk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:04:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KTqY6-0007yF-MW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:04:26 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KTqY6-0007y2-5Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:04:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33494 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KTqY6-0007xz-2r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:04:26 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:53283 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KTqY6-00016k-36 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:04:26 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KTqXx-0004pb-MF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:04:17 +0000 Original-Received: from cpe-76-174-24-253.socal.res.rr.com ([76.174.24.253]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:04:17 +0000 Original-Received: from sorourke by cpe-76-174-24-253.socal.res.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:04:17 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpe-76-174-24-253.socal.res.rr.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:+F6lySLqs8Unwh7oO3AMFm7dMdg= X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102474 Archived-At: "Richard M. Stallman" writes: > Emacs has still no support to load shared libraries during runtime and > IIRC it was rejected back then due to political reasons. I call this > crippling. > > "Crippling" would imply making Emacs unusable, which it clearly isn't. This is disingenuous. A cripple can still get around town, albeit awkwardly. I think "crippling" as in "severely problematic" is too extreme; this political problem is more like a persistent, unscratchable itch: you can live with it, but it's continuously irritating without encouraging you to improve your physical condition. What if we included shared library loading in GNU Emacs to see if anyone tried to use it to abuse the GPL? If so, we could remove it, and let the abusers develop a fork. Since the shared library patch is already out there and there are no such forks, I doubt there would be a problem. Sean