From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric Schulte" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Package Management Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:00:19 -0600 Message-ID: References: <485b0c380808011427n4d3144eey3f8daf3abac83bf4@mail.gmail.com> <87d45vzt4j.fsf@hagelb.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1252861288 4145 80.91.229.12 (13 Sep 2009 17:01:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Tom Tromey , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Phil Hagelberg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 13 19:01:20 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MmsRz-0003Kq-TG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:01:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36722 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MmsRz-0002IA-GI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:01:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MmsRJ-0001mG-4F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:00:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MmsRE-0001h4-A0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:00:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47375 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MmsRE-0001gr-5j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:00:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pz0-f175.google.com ([209.85.222.175]:56912) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MmsRD-00024N-NH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:00:31 -0400 Original-Received: by pzk5 with SMTP id 5so2242144pzk.6 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:00:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject:references :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=PNwEE6I6NvJ1JzpOSSHrk6UcwO8rrMm7uh/H3YLZX/o=; b=omLFd303jWh33s27vsmH0pKIIFbEvPG0yeKBP7ogycBU8gb7fpAUNrOIhPJfQAWP+i nZILKONBS1FLhUNhp/5TwA2JyNAxBx3Ns2CQX9QoP17V9t/pJF41/l40QVYKlRk1UfCh 7083ke+hufXm0ntPxIDHUm0fiWWdv8DhCMKjM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=N5rfuQi7O+PZTXm1cNDPc27ZkqZAYGbQpFSIPz0ATE/DglLAfLGzbUkVqZcuohzazH LILYqNLT4CXbY+o9Tt/74B7KfmWX4fIdqDy9KwF1DdB3vDgzdWpA1OHHBF7YeE1VTdIU +2dd13Xy3g4nG3JdQFEHFqqbvJwtpNxiXUcUk= Original-Received: by 10.115.67.8 with SMTP id u8mr9598819wak.190.1252861230964; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from eschulte (adaptive.cs.unm.edu [64.106.21.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm3615256pxi.6.2009.09.13.10.00.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:00:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87d45vzt4j.fsf@hagelb.org> (Phil Hagelberg's message of "Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:38:04 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.1.50 (darwin) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:115280 Archived-At: Phil Hagelberg writes: [...] > * Emacs is already too big. If we made it easy to install third-party > packages, we could spin many packages already included in Emacs > (perhaps gnus, erc, and org) out into their own independent > projects. We would avoid problems like "the big gnus merge" that > happens every so often as well as allowing them to follow their own > release cycles. In addition, a lot of packages are simply fringe; > they're only useful to a small subset of Emacs users. I think this point is increasingly important as people try to install Emacs on mobile devices. The use of a package system which tracks dependencies between packages would be a great help to users who are currently lopping off large parts of Emacs to fit it onto devices with limited memory.