From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding packages to ELPA Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 08:31:12 -0400 Organization: disorganization Message-ID: References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <87sijqxzr2.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <877g11c8wh.fsf@gmx.us> <83fvfo15z7.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: sds@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1411129916 26999 80.91.229.3 (19 Sep 2014 12:31:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:31:56 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 19 14:31:52 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XUxLs-0002QA-4G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:31:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57966 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUxLr-0007G3-Jq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 08:31:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47097) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUxLc-0007Ev-90 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 08:31:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUxLY-0007aP-7F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 08:31:36 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:46003) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUxLY-0007aD-0m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 08:31:32 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XUxLR-0002H0-5w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:31:25 +0200 Original-Received: from 66.9.135.66 ([66.9.135.66]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:31:25 +0200 Original-Received: from sds by 66.9.135.66 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:31:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 38 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.9.135.66 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (darwin) X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. Cancel-Lock: sha1:PraQrZWIISiYtAK9ejlnwI7Y0ck= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174547 Archived-At: > * Eli Zaretskii [2014-09-19 09:26:04 +0300]: > >> From: Stefan Monnier >> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 22:03:12 -0400 >> Cc: Rasmus , emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> I've been the main driving force behind the addition of packages to GNU >> ELPA so far. I hope other people can give me a hand. > > It might help if you could explain the rationale for that drive. It > is entirely mysterious in my eyes, which is more disturbing as it is > clear to me that this is somehow very important to you. The issue is control: rms writes: >>> For popular packages to be distributed outside of Emacs and ELPA >>> has some bad consequences: >>> * We can't change them when we change some part of Emacs that they use. >>> That makes it hard for us to change interfaces. >>> * We don't have copyright assignments in them, so we can't move the code >>> into Emacs. >>> * They may say things that work against the GNU Project in other ways, >>> such as by recommending nonfree programs, or by recommending rivals of >>> GNU packages. >>> I think therefore that we do more to move the popular packages into >>> ELPA or Emacs. -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on darwin Ns 10.3.1265 http://www.childpsy.net/ http://openvotingconsortium.org http://iris.org.il http://dhimmi.org http://palestinefacts.org The force of gravity doubles when acting on a body on a couch.