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[76.234.69.149]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w69sm22135513pfd.28.2016.09.29.12.23.20 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:23:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4352929284ED; Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:23:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87r38horwu.fsf@russet.org.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Sun, 18 Sep 2016 21:48:49 +0100") Mail-Followup-To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord), emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Richard Stallman X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:207904 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> "PL" =3D=3D Phillip Lord writes: PL> My belief is that most packages would be better in package.el format, PL> although I don't see an immediate case for re-formatting them wholesale. I'm not entirely sure that this is better. For the immediate future, I'd li= ke us to have a way of "viewing ELPA" from Emacs.git, such that there's nothing special we need to do in Emacs.git in order to include or rely on ELPA packages (such as requiring the use of package.el structure). I see incorporating package.el as a separate issue, and one that we should solve after we mechanize inclusion of ELPA packages into Emacs core or the distribution. Because we're already doing the latter, just manually. So le= t's automate that, get it working smoothly, and then after we can have a separa= te discussion about whether we should be relying on package.el more than we ar= e. =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJX7WokAAoJEMFE2PTxn+Ywn8oL/Rp1/ZmoXFl7Tt9UAI8Yg9ff 7/S0AfnwQmEdM4t/OmDaEvmvysYfhBS9L3txBp//V/iO6Xpu15kTUNiBbiCd4JOz wIQmsZcDqVdTvfcRU6WSPv2C/vcSirXYDwnsuPAx8YAFZsjGmiOyt5gFTJwXpteR 0o/vgRhX2c8eXyojnrbFVgMd7n8YrAfCl0HqcNFThAo0xpoL0EyVq19CFRwxVfTv eRJX92ocUtE7jZ7i5uD/ocrz6BKPtruef4HGVC4DwvjNYrpGFAhKgEz7k4/7Q20K 69vstJV8Muh3fsgFyWXjAeZz/CurP8Zlfx3WpZ/u55E1rKcWU1iprlh5DqdJw4I+ 3VZwgH0M1uyF7JlE2+bAxfZq5jPSXEi9OmCQW5BNVy6gGuxlMYKr32d4ED6ey3Rr sBNylfTgJuBSHt6biqTKmlC1ll0ozaT9wmVmVRnfnv+oohb/eRBIyW+j5mUbViZb BsTBsvy7Z/o+9hVwiZKi3aIzfFaT6RDjuhxYCCbi8A== =x7PQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--