From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:04:18 -0700 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: References: <5610207A.2000300@harpegolden.net> <83fv1r3gzp.fsf@gnu.org> <83bncf3f9k.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443902701 4472 80.91.229.3 (3 Oct 2015 20:05:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 20:05:01 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 03 22:04:55 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiT37-00068C-59 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 22:04:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39863 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiT36-0004fI-GJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 16:04:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42894) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiT2f-0004WR-Ng for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 16:04:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiT2c-0003Pc-I1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 16:04:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::233]:32806) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiT2c-0003PP-CQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 16:04:22 -0400 Original-Received: by pacex6 with SMTP id ex6so137256023pac.0 for ; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:04:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id :references:user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=lfnOIS/IoQ1m9NSdYpzq22MBc3MWj1Yt11CqvfgfZQY=; b=f2WqQ5M6CzrSyWoPUCeBJk86Hifqt3QiiJzAjeyPtNmDQAFOFG5IfDBr3GYpwbTavj j5a7iLV9w6/+4EO8raLPOkB7bFriHR9Q2aNOURdEJvdwed7naorqhHtLr6xzbpuA6uzv aOm5MqPf3mxzqBalc+/EW8KdLeqbeapMyXnVoW9WOSsFZ9CKMq3MTHNDJoTjH/kGw2dZ F/SCHHgguKTQMKjuQWc0BXZTzhyE4BhHYRVmBdfkN0cPtO4wZtxGCn7jWDq9PAoc3vQ1 0IHxpSP3qBhfSv2nrJI2NGrJboOdA1PA17w8hImhGWx4SlytZgcd/MGnWByCFNZVoVSr ndew== X-Received: by 10.66.119.167 with SMTP id kv7mr3533219pab.141.1443902661703; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v6sm18888828pbs.40.2015.10.03.13.04.20 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5CC2BF029FB4; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:04:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83bncf3f9k.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 03 Oct 2015 22:48:07 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190823 Archived-At: >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > I don't think this could ever work well in a project such as Emacs. How can > the head set the tone and vision, when he/she is not expert enough in at > least a few of the core areas? If you want to set the tone and vision in the > development of the area of my expertise -- let's take the support for > bidirectional editing as a good example -- don't you need me to first teach > you enough about that, so you could make up your own mind, instead of just > trusting me? And if you are afraid of "issues" between us (i.e. you don't > really trust me 100%), why would you believe that I'll make an unbiased > presentation of what you need to learn, rather than bias it a bit to ensure > that you agree with me? I'm not sure it's worth derailing this thread to argue these things. Let them find some new maintainer(s), and those candidates can work out with the FSF whatever arrangement they prefer. John