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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xu5sm47903344pab.12.2015.10.08.17.14.05 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 08 Oct 2015 17:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id D7358F1E7928; Thu, 8 Oct 2015 17:14:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87pp0p0zqh.fsf@red-bean.com> (Karl Fogel's message of "Thu, 08 Oct 2015 17:20:06 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191074 Archived-At: >>>>> Karl Fogel writes: > So if at this point you were to say that, as far as being an Emacs > maintainer goes, you understand and are willing to abide by the priorities > Richard has articulated, even though you disagree with them, that would > settle an important question. Or if you don't think you can abide by them, > in your work as maintainer, that would be useful to know too (though it > would probably result in you not being the maintainer). I'm pretty sure that if it came up in a significant way, I wouldn't be able to stand by it. The insistence on Bazaar over Git, for example, caused me to stop contributing to Emacs a few years back. And I've been unhappy about the DSO situation since around 1999. Very glad to see these two getting resolved! What I wonder is whether Richard and I could reach a compromise if it happens while we're working together. I'm not saying everything has to go my way; but if I see something that needs to happen for the sake of users, would we be able to find an alternate path? I'm not sure this can be answered in a mailing list thread. It depends on what rapport develops between me and the FSF. I'll be in the Boston area at the beginning of December; I'd like to stop by the offices of the FSF, and sit down with Richard to talk about these things face to face. That would answer more for me than any amount of debate. If that timeframe is too long for a decision, I'm willing to help out Emacs until it becomes a real problem. There are plenty of areas where no disagreement exists at all. John