From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ASCII-only startup message? Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 09:48:24 -0800 Message-ID: References: <567ECD8C.1070408@cs.ucla.edu> <8360zlhy7x.fsf@gnu.org> <567EE043.9020109@cs.ucla.edu> <83y4chgh5q.fsf@gnu.org> <567EED47.1090700@cs.ucla.edu> <83si2pgci8.fsf@gnu.org> <567F22B1.9040702@cs.ucla.edu> <83poxsh7xv.fsf@gnu.org> <5682C34A.30608@cs.ucla.edu> <87a8op2zte.fsf@mbork.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451670531 1574 80.91.229.3 (1 Jan 2016 17:48:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 17:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 01 18:48:43 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aF3of-0004tH-4K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 18:48:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36413 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aF3od-0002kr-RF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 12:48:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33481) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aF3oZ-0002kU-8r for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 12:48:36 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aF3oW-0002VC-Ad for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 12:48:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pf0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22d]:34491) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aF3oW-0002V1-5K for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 12:48:32 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pf0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id e65so116963784pfe.1 for ; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 09:48:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=KiaRhrqfzAlQXEM8ZLnvNWm9SFmubate0Z04hI5Gmvo=; b=E+YRhsrlwkCVG0WuPd7hioq/n8brmjcAVNjsyGC2zxI74Dud/c7st6auUTzoLh8vQp wW5F+0G4O0ec2H00cYP+7OPCxXM5NlFy7FrJDNp3X15eA3qU8f3Xuo/QgoC4V3nmKxxJ fN6G8F9rBDH6cSj+H3nmPmoJF9/QY3nGxj9LPlAx6OWh+ufWd3ohLFbbM4JjjwZqJ6Pp JROs4XzhCx+UFUqqaK98WZrojFrEvZ7veQYY9R7Fb+KC17NyNB3K78oT1DR1e+nu5Nns E5/whAfJcYeWK2BoB3ZK87551nS/sA9ctOPD7jvb5Wf2NTnLQTJzgm+IOU/k18ETj3d2 h6gg== X-Received: by 10.98.16.199 with SMTP id 68mr36804465pfq.12.1451670511398; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 09:48:31 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id cf6sm4818219pad.41.2016.01.01.09.48.27 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 01 Jan 2016 09:48:28 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 71BAB11F8D71E; Fri, 1 Jan 2016 09:48:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87a8op2zte.fsf@mbork.pl> (Marcin Borkowski's message of "Fri, 01 Jan 2016 14:29:17 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Marcin Borkowski , Emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197312 Archived-At: >>>>> Marcin Borkowski writes: > I only want to point out that an argument like "___ has been lagging behind" > is so lousy that it's not even an argument. History knows quite a bunch of > situations when apparent "progress" was something so abhorrent that those > who were "lagging behind" are the only ones that do not need to be ashamed. I want to say that, regardless of whether this comment pertains to the current discussion or not (I don't know enough to say, really), in general there is genuine truth here that should not be ignored. What is "shiny and new" can sometimes be quite meriticious, and is not realized as such until after the excitement has passed. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2