* Re: make-char 'symbol weirdness
2010-05-04 13:57 ` Sam Steingold
@ 2010-05-04 14:44 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-05-04 16:04 ` Juri Linkov
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From: Andreas Schwab @ 2010-05-04 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sam Steingold; +Cc: Stephen J. Turnbull, emacs-devel
Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
> yes, but gamma is 947, and chi is 967, so _why_ is c mapped to chi and
> not gamma?!
Ask Adobe, they defined it.
Andreas.
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2010-05-04 13:57 ` Sam Steingold
2010-05-04 14:44 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2010-05-04 16:04 ` Juri Linkov
2010-05-04 17:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Juri Linkov @ 2010-05-04 16:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sam Steingold; +Cc: Stephen J. Turnbull, emacs-devel
>> > a->alpha : (make-char 'symbol 97) ==> 945
>> > b->beta : (make-char 'symbol 98) ==> 946
>> > c->chi ??? (make-char 'symbol 99) ==> 967 ???!!!
>> > d->delta: (make-char 'symbol 100) ==>948
>> >
>> > why??
>>
>> Because gamma, not chi, is the third letter of the Greek alphabet?
>
> yes, but gamma is 947, and chi is 967, so _why_ is c mapped to chi and
> not gamma?!
I guess their Latin/Greek mapping is like KOI8 based on some
phonetic/graphic similarities between Latin/Cyrillic letters.
Someone who sees KOI8 for the first time might wonder and ask
exactly the same question why the order is not alphabetical ;-)
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2010-05-04 13:57 ` Sam Steingold
2010-05-04 14:44 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-05-04 16:04 ` Juri Linkov
@ 2010-05-04 17:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-05-04 17:55 ` Davis Herring
2010-05-04 19:02 ` James Cloos
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2010-05-04 17:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sam Steingold; +Cc: stephen, emacs-devel
> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:57:10 -0400
> From: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> On 5/3/10, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen@xemacs.org> wrote:
> > Sam Steingold writes:
> > > GNU Emacs 24.0.50.10 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.10.4)
> > > of 2010-05-03
> > >
> > > a->alpha : (make-char 'symbol 97) ==> 945
> > > b->beta : (make-char 'symbol 98) ==> 946
> > > c->chi ??? (make-char 'symbol 99) ==> 967 ???!!!
> > > d->delta: (make-char 'symbol 100) ==>948
> > >
> > > why??
> >
> > Because gamma, not chi, is the third letter of the Greek alphabet?
>
> yes, but gamma is 947, and chi is 967, so _why_ is c mapped to chi and
> not gamma?!
Hint #1: what is g mapped to?
Hint #2: you _are_ aware that historically, c and g was the same letter?
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* Re: make-char 'symbol weirdness
2010-05-04 13:57 ` Sam Steingold
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2010-05-04 17:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2010-05-04 17:55 ` Davis Herring
2010-05-04 19:02 ` James Cloos
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From: Davis Herring @ 2010-05-04 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sam Steingold; +Cc: Stephen J. Turnbull, emacs-devel
> yes, but gamma is 947, and chi is 967, so _why_ is c mapped to chi and
> not gamma?!
Because they preferred to map g to gamma? c doesn't have a direct
correlate, so they put it on something that's not entirely unreasonable
(given its English spelling): chi.
The input method `greek' maps g to gamma too, though it takes the other
sound for c and makes it psi and makes x chi (and j xi).
Davis
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2010-05-04 13:57 ` Sam Steingold
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2010-05-04 17:55 ` Davis Herring
@ 2010-05-04 19:02 ` James Cloos
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From: James Cloos @ 2010-05-04 19:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sam Steingold; +Cc: Stephen J. Turnbull, emacs-devel
>>>>> "SS" == Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org> writes:
SS> yes, but gamma is 947, and chi is 967, so _why_ is c mapped to chi
SS> and not gamma?!
The mapping is that of the Postscript font /Symbol's encoding. Clearly
either Adobe or Apple wanted a phonetic mapping, presumably so that
keyboard entry would be intuitive for the Mac's (initial) market.
Remember also that the /Symbol font had Greek not for setting Greek text
but rather for setting Math and the like.
-JimC
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