From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs on OS X development Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:12:36 -0500 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1342149170 18129 80.91.229.3 (13 Jul 2012 03:12:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 03:12:50 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 13 05:12:48 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SpWJA-0004ML-A4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 05:12:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55961 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SpWJ9-0002Ej-F3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:12:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49598) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SpWJ7-0002Ea-2a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:12:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SpWJ6-0007em-7h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:12:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.213.41]:44070) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SpWJ6-0007eh-2d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:12:40 -0400 Original-Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so3173341yhr.0 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:12:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:organization:references:mail-followup-to :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=ugue4eUxb5gTNDjqmj7u614I+yw0Seiaa2RPsqEOZWo=; b=WZU0wBLxFRFIV9SNVgtlfC9wXPNBEWCazVpVwZH+bG5Gt4orep8IYjP+qi2IiP7Yai L6XbGHxpaRM2rnufFJSDji6R5c7JrFEojvCna+sl/piYH8ZalpdnoTJn1XhLNzphiaO4 +YDO7kWPRia5WZ/yviCscj9K0Sft7MaIC6JuijrMH5ju6alG+ib74WexqhSsjKEowWWo 5pCdGm1jOcEgLCQFObju3LpGXzEYbdZVm8eBCdROZXlun5xAiMR7qHfikPZnDX75qvP/ JvRhY8OhhdgO35UXhkzLHcmu8ndukyKAPUdKdnOg5lRFYwhoPoT3DSiTT39bk6Fl6fG3 D8Jw== Original-Received: by 10.42.29.202 with SMTP id s10mr331455icc.1.1342149159239; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from vulcan.local (c-98-215-105-167.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [98.215.105.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pb3sm1052436igc.17.2012.07.12.20.12.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id B6D13F37DF14; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:12:36 -0500 (CDT) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (chad's message of "Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:07:43 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.1 (darwin) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.213.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:151580 Archived-At: >>>>> chad writes: > As near as I can tell, something about various people's set-up, hardware, > and/or usage patterns makes either the mac port or the ns port really > painful (it really does go both ways). Since many of us aren't feeling your > pain, and do feel different pain when we try your preferred approach, it > shouldn't be too surprising that there's been little motion. Ok, I hear you. Let me take some time to collect some evidence on this, and compare it with -Q and using different fonts. I'll come back when I have some screenshots and timings. John