From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 18:55:55 -0700 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: References: <560CCEBA.9080607@online.de> <874miapdhs.fsf@openmailbox.org> <8737xuuw2y.fsf@rabkins.net> <87lhbmkrle.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443750976 8679 80.91.229.3 (2 Oct 2015 01:56:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 01:56:16 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 02 03:56:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhpZw-0002HE-Rv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 03:56:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57003 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhpZw-0003vd-6i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 21:56:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34725) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhpZs-0003vW-Bc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 21:56:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhpZp-0005wZ-3s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 21:56:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::233]:36576) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhpZo-0005wV-Ui for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 21:56:01 -0400 Original-Received: by pablk4 with SMTP id lk4so91113929pab.3 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 18:56:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id :references:user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=q66hiEqTgQNohWvx9cz+zeN+0+HmMZyj8R6+57pf0IA=; b=USMTAKAwD9nJoFJkze3K455pRUym6WuwVAp9K2oy69Y4oyvVOjX8Mv9onoBBILqK5k 0c7VbVLkcSlBXPH5mbWJ8hvjuaHiGwaHe3bUYUKkHLbO+29QAnqUNc8hF7Fj6rZ9yTiu wqUVrMJpoCVorpZTE2qDticfTdITTEYGRZT1v2YiUjlMkwDN1QPW3S3BN8IDGAPjZIsM Iv6fMvFDBi97pICSjsQEwILClLzW5QJWbyc3rmoj7sJQX7vxuIJY6gbe2dRgYQEN4y6J /m2+zzzywDjy33itIvJpGvzwPqEoz1o1dqH/D3/9P51bETzxHrRBqNuv+9a19Oj3sUiR sNsg== X-Received: by 10.67.30.136 with SMTP id ke8mr16712625pad.16.1443750960231; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 18:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o3sm9201364pap.37.2015.10.01.18.55.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Oct 2015 18:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id EE46EF01077D; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 18:55:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87lhbmkrle.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Fri, 02 Oct 2015 03:05:17 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190617 Archived-At: >>>>> David Kastrup writes: > Getting ideological about this saves oneself from sinking an arbitrary > amount of effort in endeavors that are constantly under threats outside of > the developers' control and can be killed at the whim of parties not > interested in free software. > > I don't want an Emacs maintainer ultimately banking on the goodwill of Apple > regarding the invested efforts. That's not an inspiring work environment. I'm bitten by this _regularly_ in the Nix world, so I'm not seeking to tether anyone to the developer churn happening over at Apple. Just this week I had to downgrade to XCode 6.4, because 7.0 broke my entire world. My OS X story for Emacs is mostly this: Give Mitsuharu Yamamoto whatever help he needs. His "Mac port" variant of Emacs is all I could ask for in terms of OS X support right now. I'd like to see it modernized under Cocoa, if at all possible, or promoted to a build flavor in the master branch. I'm not talking about upheaval here, just equal footing, and paying attention to OS X (and other platform) gripes as they arise -- like the slow sub-process bug in Cocoa Emacs that has been a show-stopper for some of us for several years now. You'll find I'm upfront with my opinions, but it's not my desire to alienate *anyone* from participating, joyfully, in making Emacs a great community and development experience. John