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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:207792 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> "AS" =3D=3D Andreas Schwab writes: >>> > I disagree and object to such a change. >>>=20 >>> But is the only way that makes sense. You objection has no grounds. >>=20 >> I stated my grounds. They might not make sense to you, but they do to me. AS> No, they make absolutely no sense. The prefix was obviously never inten= ted AS> to be used with this command. The only intented use of the second argum= ent AS> was the its caller, dired-flag-extension. That is easy to prove, because AS> before commit 736b582 it wasn't even documented in the doc string. Hi Andreas, I'm interested in the technical content of this exchange, but there is no place for telling the maintainer of a project that his objection is without ground. He _is_ our ground, and I ask everyone to respect this. If you beli= eve otherwise, we're always on the lookout for future maintainers to take up the baton. So, while I like the appeal to consistency, if Eli objects, then I object, = and you should feel obliged to resolve our concerns -- in terms of the issues at hand -- rather than stating they are baseless. Doing so will not move the discussion forward. =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJX6B2rAAoJEMFE2PTxn+YwQG0MAKil4+x1l8scQTg5rJE7Dyat 4OoSJP05P3OvXSjZ5Gluz0BtcUu/ls5wwYxldAf48eVTAyuvWiPVbJ77qZragwaw OqmMQtL+e4AxgsXDV0vNWq9W3LyV7wUyyRlv3W2QiMrF8FRnjvusjWs7sZ2BpUNx YTaNd9Rgx/9lb41tZf38o0AzvlL6uUg0XqhPFgls7h/kvUAq5Au1ZtjA+INJ5g/t gQuywfku3OlPPngfiGvZR2bIoIdEUmtE4bUByQL7MpTm+VYijCtH8JVTEjonU9CB sKedVjsoVVnnsYlVJwvXr5tf8LUvUHg9hrk2ECKsABeat85iqIsB42/BBa19Et9G lWV+R912E7iLM3tj/XNOH+m7g9tz1dn1PgrQSiMb/Sfupr1nFgDmnc+LKVMEi0+N J40dvYalIE+rsWXzPUYuOT9oiuDovcyiYHwzV/8nCpYmDJcG7Fr6RzxuxxUY+ImS aOXnzuSdHRXejTkk9XWM7+9BLEAWpbb5izz261yFzQ== =CqCh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--