From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Helmut Eller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why :USE sucks in the Common Lisp package system Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 10:53:42 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87pnbgzdmx.fsf@tromey.com> <1225997b-648a-068d-7f6b-e1575477a0d0@dancol.org> <875zd62qy7.fsf@t510.orion.oneofus.la> <09ed390e-c735-3a7e-ecfd-504557b192a2@dancol.org> <87368a2d1a.fsf@t510.orion.oneofus.la> <87o8qws2w7.fsf@linux-m68k.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="97030"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:EDC8n0azkgqLACh88UUK52nNaGg= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 10 10:54:42 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXhjN-000PA7-O6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 10:54:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35352 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXhjM-00073m-Pn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 04:54:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42156) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXhiZ-0006CR-Ms for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 04:53:51 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([159.69.161.202]:55816) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXhiZ-00036f-1b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 04:53:51 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXhiW-000O8h-7p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 10:53:48 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=159.69.161.202; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/10 04:53:48 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 3 X-Spam_score: 0.3 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249641 Archived-At: On Sun, May 10 2020, Andreas Schwab wrote: > On Mai 09 2020, Andrea Corallo wrote: > >> From your write to me sounds that the real trouble with :USE is that >> namespace versioning is missing. Very interesting. > > In python or perl, you can control which identifiers to import from a > module into the current namespace. Common Lisp also has something similar with, ahem, :IMPORT-FROM or manually with IMPORT. But as usual, it's more fun to rant about how unusable Common Lisp is. Helmut