From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 14:52:49 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq.ref@Ergus> <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq@Ergus> <83lfhnnew7.fsf@gnu.org> <20200906163418.3p2wuygb4osm76wa@Ergus> <20200906203807.u237c3h22oxwtmba@Ergus> <87tuwabm5a.fsf@gnus.org> <9fb02447-6189-490f-a6ee-3d037492e0e6@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2761"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Drew Adams , Emacs developers To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 10 14:53:28 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGM4t-0000dp-5P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 14:53:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39132 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGM4s-0004fw-6P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 08:53:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55376) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGM4N-0004F8-Oh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 08:52:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wm1-x336.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::336]:34883) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGM4M-0003OX-59 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 08:52:55 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wm1-x336.google.com with SMTP id y15so5698485wmi.0 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 05:52:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=apm13LXCiidAfFbXMlXmzIj3NyENhAnw0uJwRiYayxg=; b=VZzW6m2LYVgRUDhTw/n/JnW3xNGRNhzXvx1eu259jpCmw2bI9EbP1+W+REgemhNnLf gsGzAq6WFysVuQstS73ntStJHxdYU/7uuB8T2T7Jta2GKdaO9kp5hbr6ckVCDsAnXYwi Sh1JWfils+TKwmX4tzcL5q7vJjtztoC3gQlHl46rfqj+Gl51AGFinOWXja5SOnumRTns HbreshMYm3i4rn4Dmo3X3IcE2LHeB9xcug9Py/HUDTxdmGcqfcHWGE73FOPPgm3RPu5J 9WFulMHg3ddsi+soq+PJK0niMYE0LvivW8QBUxLALoEq94hQVpV/WgWIepTvjQsX2G1h vHCQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=apm13LXCiidAfFbXMlXmzIj3NyENhAnw0uJwRiYayxg=; b=sMr3iHdyaD6kUjYklhuv3EAuXBjxBS+iQGs+eZTMhltOHLZJR7R1DdFSGbAw15hqAY Wj5ALuQmxCySH5QYExCNJXU5Hij/3+KjSTYdPFx1BRDSaKODCjNBdnMgV2K73eKqmcEJ 8f4BcUWUvkysXm0e7JxI4st8GO/Ar6NM4muOZ/Q5L+0L/oGwtH7b9+Qeo63mpPHorpyq l+eP5vCDrmp8v3NsB7NsbqyqhzlKRuv01I0hxWFyhA4a48Jw62I0pWr9RuNrSYB+yQ+0 XW5/FyE7Flo8d4IEtbE3owB5bpEnl3HCyzcfTvAAg0dpeUCB8rljCWbXCwyg6rRW4KZE rjJg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530YHod1FMrAmfLxBXWyVXkIqOfJNFte1w3+j/f1iFXxjjOhbrwO jot1cLNEDVJY8h9cgmBXgVoiwgh3sBo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwwi5ffKEt89xw/+/H9XdXqVuFJrTxmrk6JVSTDnRsNDAO05K7/y1GNjawpnsf2EDGRbYc69Q== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:7d55:: with SMTP id y82mr8415578wmc.100.1599742371742; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 05:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from rpluim-mac ([2a01:e34:ecfc:a860:8c16:d3f4:7c3b:1764]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g186sm3666366wmg.25.2020.09.10.05.52.49 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 10 Sep 2020 05:52:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Gregory Heytings's message of "Thu, 10 Sep 2020 12:26:15 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::336; envelope-from=rpluim@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-x336.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254991 Archived-At: >>>>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 12:26:15 +0000, Gregory Heytings sa= id: >>=20 >> Gregory has a 'Reply-To' header which points at ghe@sdf.org. I guess >> your Outlook client honours it a bit too much >>=20 Gregory> Indeed. I know this, but I don't know why this is the case (*= ). I Gregory> used to explicitly set Reply-To to emacs-devel@gnu.org in my M= UA, but Gregory> Eli asked me to stop to do this. I think in that case rmail replies only to emacs-devel@, which means Eli has to add back the other recipients. Eli, do we need a "reply to 'From+To+CC+Reply-To'" feature in rmail? ("wide reply" in Gnus parlance). Gregory> (*) I guess, but I'm not 100% sure, that Mailman honors the st= rict Gregory> DMARC policy ("quarantine") of the the sdf.org domain. So mai= ls sent Gregory> from that domain are forwared to the list with a "From: Gregory> emacs-devel@gnu.org Reply-To: " while those s= ent from Gregory> other domains are forwared to the list with a "From: ". Yes, that matches the Mailman documentation. I=CA=BCm not sure what a good solution is; Mailman adding a Reply-To with both the sender and emacs-devel would no doubt also break either Outlook or rmail or both. Not adding a Reply-To at all means the sender would get dropped . Robert