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[2003:e0:b71f:6700:b019:6211:433a:3436]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a640c23a62f3a-aac0e82eb80sm428719566b.34.2024.12.22.12.50.22 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 22 Dec 2024 12:50:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87ldw7fwet.fsf@protonmail.com> (Pip Cet's message of "Sun, 22 Dec 2024 17:41:47 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::635; envelope-from=gerd.moellmann@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x635.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326886 Archived-At: Pip Cet writes: > =C3=93scar Fuentes writes: >> With igc the pauses are still there, but they much shorter and >> predictable, they no longer distract me from thinking on what I'm >> writing, which is a huge improvement. I suspect that some of those >> pauses are not related to garbage collection (executing code and moving >> data also takes time.) > > Quite possible. Even if it is GC, please keep in mind that MPS has many > settings which you can play with, and it can improve things a lot. It's > not too early to become a fan of the scratch/igc branch, but it is too > early to reject it for performance reasons. It's a "heads you lose, tail= s I > win" situation, I guess. > >> TL/DR: now I enjoy using Emacs with this setup and I'm no longer tempted >> to switch to other editors for this type of work. > > I think this is an important point: ultimately, it's about having daily > drivers. We need to remove the remaining impediments for that: > > 1. The signal issue. I don't have a good way to fix this and make > everyone happy, but I do have a solution which hasn't caused a crash for > me in quite a while. It may be good enough. TBH, I'd have put it in already. > 2. no-purespace. Merging that into scratch/igc would help, well, me. > What do others think? Doesn't affect me much.