From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: opaque data types [revise and resend] Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:00:32 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: References: <51AE71DB.8060005@yandex.ru> <87zjv41uer.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878v2oxwhr.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87r4gfa8nw.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvwvwgg5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87li6maa9r.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87sj0uqdhm.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <874nd99kwf.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1370837113 32364 80.91.229.3 (10 Jun 2013 04:05:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 04:05:13 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 10 06:05:13 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UltLx-00058j-Ni for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 06:05:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50416 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UltLx-0004Mz-9Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:05:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33045) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UltLu-0004MP-Tx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:05:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UltLt-0001MU-W7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:05:06 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:34271) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UltLt-0001Ly-PL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:05:05 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UltLs-00053s-2R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 06:05:04 +0200 Original-Received: from 85-220-3-95.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is ([85.220.3.95]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 06:05:04 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 85-220-3-95.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 06:05:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 12 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 85-220-3-95.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130004 (Ma Gnus v0.4) Emacs/24.3.50 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:bsplIymoMa+jar+ig7Uo6tidouk= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:160299 Archived-At: On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 15:28:00 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: SJT> So it's a question of how you balance the needs. I'm certainly not SJT> recommending use of Java over Lisp! However, there are some common SJT> structures like mappings that are well-served by opaque data types, SJT> and some specialized ones like characters (!) and keymaps where Emacs SJT> implementers are well-served. I agree :) In fact my other post in this thread is (again) defending an opaque data type for password data. Ted