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[99.121.201.99]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ha1sm1500040pbc.54.2015.10.16.16.14.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Hermes-2.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id DDF14478436E; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:14:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87eggxemca.fsf@russet.org.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Wed, 14 Oct 2015 12:11:33 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::236 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191799 Archived-At: >>>>> Phillip Lord writes: > I'd add number 4. Support Java properly. It's one of the most common > languages in the world, and Emacs doesn't work with it. As a core Emacs developer who doesn't use Java, it's hard to make that a "mission statement" for the whole emacs-devel team. However, I'd very much like it if someone could step up and volunteer as "Java technical lead" to support this use case. I'd expect such a person to work with the maintainers to imagine a better environment -- in the context of our larger IDE discussion-- and engage others to help get the coding done. It is, as you say, a large user base. What do you think, Phillip? :) Or anyone else? In fact, we stand in need of several individuals, willing to take charge of different aspects of Emacs where not all of us have expertise. I'd love to find several such "group leads", so we ensure that every aspect of Emacs receives constant attention. For example, we need people who are willing to lead in the areas of: - Documentation - Each major language - Core libraries - External resources - Contributor well-being - Each supported platform - Performance - etc. If you think you aren't up to it, you probably are, more than you think. Dunning-Kruger strikes us all. :) John