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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xi8sm89350973pab.9.2015.12.29.08.55.41 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:55:41 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1612111B7E910; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:55:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 29 Dec 2015 01:50:07 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Richard Stallman , eliz@gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, Emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197097 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> Richard Stallman writes: >> `This' reads perfectly fine to me, and is what I prefer to see. But that >> ship has proverbially sailed; otherwise, I'd suggest we reverse this who= le >> debacle, and go back to the original behavior before any more time is lo= st. > I think we should poll the users. We could set the default either way > depending on what the users prefer. The problem isn't the default: it's having to consider all the ramifications of this change, which continue to pop up in unexpected places. Even if we t= urn it off by default, we'll still be fielding bug reports from those who turn = it on. Since I wasn't present for this change, I'd like to know: a. How much work is left until this feature is truly "complete"? One indicator that it's not yet is how many times it's been thought to be = so. b. How much work would it be to revert the whole thing and go back to usi= ng `foo' for symbol quoting? =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJWgrsDAAoJEMFE2PTxn+YwP3oL/0irP2yA33SG4xk2mv2L7Dt+ WddlgeB6QhOuQtymLHcFyOvzWgkrsHPruE/E6Wf9x5epuD17CYetG2Fej4Ak+5wg avcV6f+o79PfF/Bg2B34W0N2Oam/Uz6E+P/V+jnyBMX0juqs3rkMxjKw519s2vaR L3YK2LjR0inPOzMhFHFABjpgr6pwn3/q0BcUgjZfaGBV9I5nWvI/+kugSeP6ij5v sBMN98btULy/calGEaq6tNX0s0Fs7pXPLGxrKsfjv+gtjwvYtMVhioWTtmelPbTV dWZPpj/lf4C0g1QJUphK1gPjXcZqVkDCGd8LOexd4XcWoJS+spSfHQv21FhQukGX rMSZ8SCj8XNdperf9BsULC3RYaB037oYNBsYCDnz7pBGBK11DQAzTaSZQ3Z6oQoW vyaULqj4OuSHu6rweIiEL2uxVBEcpUZCWQYo2nnhI134uCZe/8E58cm0QrFXv0m4 keKZ06hOG8I9yqbfpx6Xp7u5xDVIIMtLv3u/6Ka3Lw== =w/7H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--