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[79.227.162.118]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id pw11-20020a17090720ab00b009ade1a4f795sm2120531ejb.168.2023.11.08.23.24.15 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 08 Nov 2023 23:24:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Wed, 8 Nov 2023 17:18:28 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::52f; envelope-from=gerd.moellmann@gmail.com; helo=mail-ed1-x52f.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312382 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: > That is the current reality. Maybe you could elaborate on what the plan then could look like? Or is it not about a plan, but something else?