From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Leo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: when emacs 22.1 release will ready? Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:37:39 +0100 Message-ID: References: <259495020704291337s35dd584fi3b7ef1dd511b11d4@mail.gmail.com> <4635C39F.9050502@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1177929921 14359 80.91.229.12 (30 Apr 2007 10:45:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:45:21 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 30 12:45:18 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HiTNc-00014s-Iv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:45:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiTTm-0007b8-Ql for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:51:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HiTLF-0001mZ-GR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:42:49 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HiTLD-0001kZ-30 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:42:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiTLC-0001kG-Fi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:42:46 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HiTF1-0004Q4-1p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:36:23 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HiTEs-0001Fz-Gw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:36:14 +0200 Original-Received: from sl392.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.223.202]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:36:14 +0200 Original-Received: from sdl.web by sl392.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:36:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sl392.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAGFBMVEUKDAg1NjRWV1V9fnyg op/DxcLk5uP8/voi63ReAAAACXBIWXMAAAWJAAAFiQFtaJ36AAAAB3RJTUUH1goZAgAz00bgXgAA AeVJREFUKM9lk0Fz2jAQhQXJD3CCO70CmcC1YMtcWyTZ14Bl69xats4N9r6/3zWQBlodNKNPu/s0 b1cCQFuZGpfVVh3vAvBJolIXRkapSuoRUtIdFyo1Y5xSdlAj7OtvD1XnXxmWRi+eWgcxyCed1lVV B1CrKyujMoi+eLA5kU1SsjoHlW+nQjTtFxk4MXgrOxvIqzoTZR8XgPaLl419zgsMaSGFPiUOZCIh thsx5Xy9NsK8Kwf/JoQgMxcVJ301HKkcSWaT0O7FY056J4U9xcYfnmVXG4801lW6lqwu2nKFZoHC HuzvaTVndZ+LaRQgZdthXw1cpynEkLEwyFHXk/aIxNQ6QeooJuzPMB+wn+D7JJNsiCcVA13/A3h/ xE9J+WidpAwoYNmRFwyvSRhNVtsdaAewzZZP5uw82QL9+tyNfocyP0McAzICUr5Mk9RdIjWasUNx aIIt6NK4ZtXIMdfMQt3nuMAyWbLI4DqZ4xPq/ag8jPond4XU/cLuOgw6XCFX/YCUfcDAMMH58fD4 G9kDchwfqVefkBwup2uZM+Q4WhJt5jN3AxXCsaS2yXEDuWgS8VOzW0gFjhEPmLyFMKBFaLb1HRwc DiaKwx0EeTMRYnYPQRW3PP4HApvlMv0PttX5v/D6Aws3IOSEwzmLAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC User-Agent: No Gnus v0.6, Emacs/23.0.0.18 (2007-04-29), Fedora 6.93 gnu/linux Cancel-Lock: sha1:MgWoJi1Dguk4ne0Bqi0a94buM+U= X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:70407 Archived-At: ----- Lennart Borgman (gmail) (2007-04-30) wrote:----- > Leo wrote: > >> Long term release hurts every project. The huge success of the kernel >> again shows the only thing to make RMS change is to do something >> better than him like what XEmacs did in the past and what Ubuntu did >> to Debian. > > > Is not one of the things behind the Ubuntu success that it is > financially backed up by someone with both resources and a kind > interest in the project? That's maybe one reason but there are tons of other ditros backed by companies. > I do not know very much about Xemacs, but since I think that lack of > resources is crucial here I think that things would have been much > better without that split. NO. The lack of resources is a cause of long release cycle. I feel it is unfair the developers valid point of view is deliberately ignored by rms. -- Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)