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From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: miles@gnu.org, ueno@unixuser.org, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: encrypt.el in No Gnus 0.7
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:01:33 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2r6j2t7zm.fsf@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <v9d4unhyfj.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> (Reiner Steib's message of "Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:11:12 +0100")

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:11:12 +0100 Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> wrote: 

RS> I think it would be useful to have at least one builtin encryption
RS> (without requiring external programs) in Emacs, if possible.

RS> The cipher should be significantly better than obfuscation (ROT13) but
RS> it doesn't need to be as GPG's ciphers.  I'm thinking of protection of
RS> for not-too-valuable stuff like email and NNTP passwords
RS> (e.g. passwords that are stored completely unprotected on disk by many
RS> users up to now) against (accidentally?) exposing it to your
RS> administrator, colleagues, family members, etc.

RS> How strong or week are the builtin ciphers compared to e.g. the
RS> algorithm used in Firefox/Thunderbird's password manager (I couldn't
RS> find out which cipher the use)?  How long does it take on a "standard
RS> PC" to break an ~/.authinfo file protected with a password of say 8
RS> chars?

The XOR cipher is trivial (it would take a few seconds to a few minutes
to break it) but it's slightly better than ROT-13.  I can write
something stronger, or a steganographic cipher which might be more
interesting.  Reimplementing AES, for example, would be too slow and
unnecessary for an Lisp-based cipher.

Firefox uses a plugin-based security device, and I can't find the
default cipher it uses.  It's much stronger than XOR, though.

Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-07 15:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-28  9:20 Gnus in Emacs is updated to No Gnus 0.7 Miles Bader
2007-10-28  9:46 ` Leo
2007-10-28  9:58 ` Miles Bader
2007-10-28 14:25   ` Reiner Steib
2007-10-28 14:49     ` Leo
2007-10-28 15:07       ` Miles Bader
2007-10-28 15:57         ` Reiner Steib
2007-10-29  7:50     ` Glenn Morris
2007-10-29 19:26       ` Reiner Steib
2007-10-29  2:56   ` Daiki Ueno
2007-10-29  8:30     ` Michael Albinus
2007-10-30  4:16       ` Daiki Ueno
2007-10-29  7:49   ` New Emacs facilities from Gnus (was: Gnus in Emacs is updated to No Gnus 0.7) Reiner Steib
2007-10-31 18:52     ` encrypt.el in No Gnus 0.7 (was: New Emacs facilities from Gnus) Ted Zlatanov
2007-10-31 20:36       ` encrypt.el in No Gnus 0.7 Reiner Steib
2007-10-31 21:05         ` Ted Zlatanov
2007-11-01  1:30           ` Daiki Ueno
2007-11-01 15:04             ` Ted Zlatanov
2007-11-01 15:24               ` Daiki Ueno
2007-11-01 23:08                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-02 14:12                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2007-11-02 21:36                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-04 19:56                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-05  1:49                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2007-11-05  8:47                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-05 15:13                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2007-11-06  2:16                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-06 17:58                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2007-11-07  7:56                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-07 14:34                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2007-11-08  0:58                                     ` Daiki Ueno
2007-11-08  1:16                                       ` Daiki Ueno
2007-11-08 14:48                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2007-11-08 23:11                                           ` Daiki Ueno
2007-11-09  0:19                                             ` Leo
2007-11-09  2:39                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2007-11-09  6:39                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-11-10  3:00                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-09 10:40                                           ` Sascha Wilde
2007-11-07  7:56                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-07 14:47                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2007-11-06 21:11                           ` Reiner Steib
2007-11-07 15:01                             ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2007-11-07 16:12                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-07 17:34                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2007-11-07 16:47                               ` Reiner Steib
2007-11-07 17:25                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2007-11-02 14:08                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2007-11-03  2:49                   ` Daiki Ueno
2007-11-05  1:27                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2007-11-05  1:37                       ` Daiki Ueno
2007-11-01  7:32       ` encrypt.el in No Gnus 0.7 (was: New Emacs facilities from Gnus) Richard Stallman
2007-11-01  8:15         ` Daiki Ueno
2007-11-01 14:47     ` New Emacs facilities from Gnus Simon Josefsson
2007-11-01 16:16       ` Daiki Ueno
2007-11-01 20:09       ` Reiner Steib
2007-11-02  2:06         ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-04 19:56     ` New Emacs facilities from Gnus (was: Gnus in Emacs is updated to No Gnus 0.7) Richard Stallman
2007-11-14 23:41       ` New Emacs facilities from Gnus Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-11-04 19:56     ` New Emacs facilities from Gnus (was: Gnus in Emacs is updated to No Gnus 0.7) Richard Stallman
2007-11-14 23:42       ` New Emacs facilities from Gnus Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-11-15 13:07         ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-15 19:54           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-11-16 18:32             ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-17 12:29               ` ecomplete.el (was: New Emacs facilities from Gnus) Reiner Steib
2007-11-17 23:31                 ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]         ` <87lk8zr0e4.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org>
2007-11-17 12:28           ` Reiner Steib
2007-11-17 13:23             ` ecomplete.el Tassilo Horn
2007-11-18  2:18               ` ecomplete.el Bastien
2007-11-04 19:56     ` New Emacs facilities from Gnus (was: Gnus in Emacs is updated to No Gnus 0.7) Richard Stallman
2007-11-04 20:36       ` New Emacs facilities from Gnus Manoj Srivastava
2007-11-05  8:47         ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-22 20:50           ` Reiner Steib
2007-11-23  4:35             ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-04 21:12       ` Reiner Steib
2007-11-04 19:56     ` New Emacs facilities from Gnus (was: Gnus in Emacs is updated to No Gnus 0.7) Richard Stallman
2007-11-05 22:23       ` New Emacs facilities from Gnus Arne Jørgensen
2007-11-06  8:26         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-06  8:37         ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-06 22:35           ` Arne Jørgensen
2007-11-07  7:56             ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-07 16:58               ` Reiner Steib
2007-11-07 17:22                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-07 18:02                   ` Reiner Steib
2007-11-07 18:20                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-09 10:45                       ` Sascha Wilde
2007-11-09 12:14                         ` Reiner Steib
2007-11-22 20:30                           ` Reiner Steib
2007-11-06 11:33     ` New Emacs facilities from Gnus (was: Gnus in Emacs is updated to No Gnus 0.7) CHENG Gao
2007-11-06 18:45       ` New Emacs facilities from Gnus Reiner Steib
2007-11-07  3:35         ` CHENG Gao
2007-11-07  7:56       ` New Emacs facilities from Gnus (was: Gnus in Emacs is updated to No Gnus 0.7) Richard Stallman
2007-11-11 23:53     ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-13  1:39       ` New Emacs facilities from Gnus Ted Zlatanov
2007-11-13 20:03         ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-11 23:54     ` New Emacs facilities from Gnus (was: Gnus in Emacs is updated to No Gnus 0.7) Richard Stallman
2007-10-29 19:24   ` Gnus in Emacs is updated to No Gnus 0.7 Reiner Steib
2007-10-29 23:11     ` Miles Bader

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