From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master d8da850: Document cairo-related fallout to font-backend settings Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 08:44:39 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20200120162048.23970.80216@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20200120162050.08A5421148@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="22111"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 21 08:45:27 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1itoE3-0005ZG-5l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 08:45:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49562 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1itoE2-0000V2-6l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 02:45:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48360) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1itoDM-0008SF-Kb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 02:44:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1itoDL-00033x-Dp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 02:44:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wm1-x32a.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::32a]:50370) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1itoDL-00033U-6b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 02:44:43 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wm1-x32a.google.com with SMTP id a5so1842853wmb.0 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 23:44:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pkehJmM6iMwG4SlKSfu6xVoJ1nEIAdKz09VLnGks5n0=; b=MxVckjBC5A6okDTgNpKNTYOG8pxEcbIZ2gGvQaKQ/DwBMFdBQAM4Uvpo/RIXRCjRsm LvDTWaVXD+wUdf5Y5xGM/wyWJGt4ywQINhGe0O29EBFowb15KtzDyB/o9Sj5ismtd/8W IwCDN25urDDnHbCqx4wYdd522rzSt+zdPqmdvKsVFp2ETDYDg8BG/QB1OqBpBzaSZRDn rIcqIJTmKbVk5zRqoNGGuC0UkBOyoP0sSpq+Y2zLgXxnVXunTDFvrbTRxA7GzKj52i0r 4a8OvVIsHl5GElSO9qMfbR5IJHRWmxsw3tUU8A6aL0MHybqBPn2Odc3mIj5/EShaAk3z XxAw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pkehJmM6iMwG4SlKSfu6xVoJ1nEIAdKz09VLnGks5n0=; b=oyx+vKbK1qtdvekEBcJOLY48/HuZ4uoDapC1bGm2+K7/auPjiMktXAKAd4f/cqcBLb F+npb3IK2fALns6rC4aHAz2PXWnRp1asVgsr9vIoP462izZnB4R7yv/taL+FHKn/+aU+ 4uBxxf8TJ7gYj3cDsas0N4Ker2WtgEZdnHu7PE8fGo8EyvKv08cRJa2vnzyZ6hi06sUh 63zEF5THAvlearzjCOKMNbpCvY8lu82lfzoMkDtBYePUAL5qkLgKeSq/t4b3idnlkvbb LBQIy+81a5mb3kNfJb5uZ7/GwpDW+KXwIeKx76L+XzFrTioOtNildhvW8PX0KiKyypFU q3Nw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWC5emmZ5R60dCfNv53erxUMC3VSL5IcRYturG8kBIope2nsAx1 WLvJ915bIFz2wAdWeEcqwVO/GnEF X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx8KrW1OAJBJDLz98YWB1DpPj8BMONNfpFXkHvDR+BZ3ig33z+egszE3KpMRQ0akZ+crKTnXg== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:9d8b:: with SMTP id g133mr2881903wme.27.1579592681345; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 23:44:41 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from rpluim-mac ([149.5.228.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n189sm2867053wme.33.2020.01.20.23.44.40 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 20 Jan 2020 23:44:40 -0800 (PST) Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 21 Jan 2020 00:12:22 +0100") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::32a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:244450 Archived-At: >>>>> On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 00:12:22 +0100, Stefan Kangas = said: Stefan> Thank you, that is much better. Please install. Done.=20 >> [1] My master plan to remove as many different variations as possib= le >> seems to get shot down every time I suggest it :-) Stefan> BTW, if 'ftcr' only works when built without HarfBuzz, and 'ftc= rhb' Stefan> only works with HarfBuzz, can't we just use 'ftcr' and detect H= arfBuzz Stefan> automatically for the user? I see two options: 1. give the Qftcrhb symbol the same name as Qftcr, which might do the right thing, but would make it harder to work out whether HarfBuzz is actually being used. 2. just say "If you=CA=BCre going to be modern, be modern: Cairo requires HarfBuzz" (note that this is the path that Pango is taking). Robert