From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Pankaj Jangid Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 07:18:35 +0530 Organization: J4D Network Message-ID: References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq.ref@Ergus> <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq@Ergus> <83lfhnnew7.fsf@gnu.org> <20200906163418.3p2wuygb4osm76wa@Ergus> <20200906203807.u237c3h22oxwtmba@Ergus> <87tuwabm5a.fsf@gnus.org> <87wo13q9d2.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="751"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1.50 (darwin) Cc: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp , Gregory Heytings , Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254937 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." writes: > That's too complex IMO. I at least would never have the patience to > watch N videos to discover such things. If the target is users who > just give Emacs a try, as we all do from time to time for programs we > don't know, expecting that they would first watch videos (or to read > introductory material) sets the bar way too high. I assumed the same thing when I was training a new joinee in my company. Probably we are getting old. :-) This new person tells me after going through software manuals for 2-3 days, "do we have video tutorials?" So my opinion is that we need impressive community videos that talk about vanilla emacs.