From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding use-package to core Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 10:24:38 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87tu33cavl.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32333"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (darwin) Cc: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." , eliz@gnu.org, xenodasein@tutanota.de To: Payas Relekar Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 13 19:25:04 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ouHfE-0008F2-Kk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:25:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouHev-0002tm-Ed; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:24:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouHet-0002tD-AU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:24:43 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouHet-0005hR-29; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:24:43 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:References:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=M4JGiu7TLwQHb4H+nDs7MtiqNJpEyjwf/7a9ONxal7A=; b=KzhGXPwjt2LgDDfir/28 VCdIkCDTE3mkjNGiYdnArfsFUdAhFXuhBZhOwXXG/A1pnm19PrXopzDPJq3hkDnppdg5eAgKcRdgL bLg6fSRmUsrf3ehUUsoeHFGRQXPdap9ZAtbXrXJxwg7tsXA3KUSBLPA2RG7thqCEMV3ZYcYXLgsBd 4GNF/hiIjO03SMRg4FFRaqmKTZn+FLm7uSuAMe/7neiHUlPBcBvRoI3YC0o4nQGTY4vPhw3X5XEGe 0uoCToA5XCHIptUoph5AYqPcLorSySspdKuutPC3BonNNdIAYhNS6kKHcNS2x+Sr3umIyEMd02oYy de8ViC4u5+aP/A==; Original-Received: from auth2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.228]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouHes-0003k1-8K; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:24:42 -0500 Original-Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B98E27C0054; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:24:42 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:24:42 -0500 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvgedrgedtgdduudegucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhephffvvefujgffkfhffgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomhepfdflohhh nhcuhghivghglhgvhidfuceojhhohhhnfiesghhnuhdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvg hrnheptddtgfehvdekueejfeeuveejuefggfduveekleelheehleejleevfeelgeehteeh necuffhomhgrihhnpehnvgifrghrthhishgrnhhsrdgtohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuih iivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhohhhnfidomhgvshhmthhprghu thhhphgvrhhsohhnrghlihhthidqieekjeektdelgeegqddujeejheefkeduiedqjhhohh hnfieppehgnhhurdhorhhgsehnvgifrghrthhishgrnhhsrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ib64945b7:Fastmail Original-Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:24:41 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87tu33cavl.fsf@gmail.com> (Payas Relekar's message of "Sun, 13 Nov 2022 17:25:16 +0530") Mail-Followup-To: Payas Relekar , xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." , eliz@gnu.org, xenodasein@tutanota.de X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299744 Archived-At: >>>>> "PR" == Payas Relekar writes: PR> 4. If you need someone to complain about use-package not being in core, PR> you can count this mail as first. When I started out with Emacs in 2020, PR> use-package was already recommended way in half the packages I found, and PR> installing it required adding MELPA. Depending on where you stand with PR> technical and ethical grounds, this is already not ideal. Less elisp PR> needed to be understood by newbies (even if one-line MELPA addition) the PR> better. For me, this is also the biggest argument in favor of inclusion in core: If use-package is something you need to install (even through ELPA) before you can bootstrap your environment, it introduces a manual step that would just be nice for users if we could remove. But that's not an unsurmountable obstacle. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2