From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Random832 Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ASCII-only startup message? Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 01:58:59 -0500 Message-ID: References: <567ECD8C.1070408@cs.ucla.edu> <8360zlhy7x.fsf@gnu.org> <567EE043.9020109@cs.ucla.edu> <83y4chgh5q.fsf@gnu.org> <567EED47.1090700@cs.ucla.edu> <83si2pgci8.fsf@gnu.org> <567F22B1.9040702@cs.ucla.edu> <2dc99848-b6d5-4f53-b22c-66e29d15647c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451199575 11701 80.91.229.3 (27 Dec 2015 06:59:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 06:59:35 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 27 07:59:27 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aD5Ic-0001B8-3U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 07:59:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40882 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aD5Ib-0004rQ-AB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 01:59:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33531) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aD5IP-0004rL-0M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 01:59:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aD5IJ-0006bS-UM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 01:59:12 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:50394) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aD5IJ-0006bO-Ne for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 01:59:07 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aD5IG-0000m8-Ul for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 07:59:05 +0100 Original-Received: from c-68-39-146-59.hsd1.in.comcast.net ([68.39.146.59]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 07:59:04 +0100 Original-Received: from random832 by c-68-39-146-59.hsd1.in.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 07:59:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-68-39-146-59.hsd1.in.comcast.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZGzk24RsIcH9Ls+UIVYgIQmZkaQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196967 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > This is completely wrong. Do you have a reference to back up > such a claim? > > I have never seen any doc or typography guideline that favors > a quotation mark over an apostrophe for English contractions, > possessives, or non-word plurals. Quite the contrary. These > use cases are precisely the raison d'être for the apostrophe. Er, the question isn't whether to use a quotation mark or an apostrophe, it's whether to use a curved apostrophe or a straight apostrophe. That Unicode happens to unify straight apostrophe with straight single quote and curved apostrophe with curved single quote isn't relevant. > (But it is not about straight vs curved apostrophes. Any ol' > apostrophe will do. It's about apostrophes vs single quotation > marks.) I have no idea why you think U+0027 is more an apostrophe, or less a single quotation mark, than U+2019. The fact that it is required to use a typographically suboptimal neutral/"straight" glyph is precisely because of its historical use as a quotation mark (and as a prime symbol, stress mark, etc).