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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 94sm3095946otr.41.2016.08.02.23.05.29 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Aug 2016 23:05:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id C81401BE8757; Tue, 2 Aug 2016 23:05:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <46f603db-cf91-495d-d330-87b3538b7872@gmail.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit--Claudel"'s message of "Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:02:03 -0400") Mail-Followup-To: =?utf-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit--Claudel , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:206386 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> "CP" =3D=3D Cl=C3=A9ment Pit--Claudel writes: CP> I for one would welcome a code of conduct :) These things tend to send = an PC> explicit positive message, and there are virtually no downsides to havi= ng PC> one. LibrePlanet, Mailman, and GNU Health already seem to have one. Hi Cl=C3=A9ment, I appreciate the desire for a code of conduct, which is that we should all = be courteous and respectful of one another, united in our common effort to bui= ld the future of Emacs. If I thought having a code of conduct would make any difference, we would h= ave one. However, its mere existence does not stop anyone from saying whatever they want; and its absence does not stop me from withdrawing their right to post if I feel their contributions are inappropriate (and this list _is_ moderated, though no one has ever been filtered yet). When people become abrasive or discouraging to others, I say something about it. But even if a code of conduct existed, and said the same thing, I would still need to repeat it here. The published document does not save me the effort, since the problem exists _here_. Some make the argument that publishing a code of conduct announces to others what our standards are, and that we are accepting of all peoples, of all persuasions. If we think this is what we've been missing to win new users, that's certainly something to consider; but the fact is, everyone IS welcom= e, abuse of any kind is NOT tolerated, and I think the people contributing here already know that. =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJXoYmlAAoJEMFE2PTxn+Yw0DwL/32xhfBechxQP7437KN+Pk8c XxgW0ZT0av9X4Hyd5riPnsdGcy75yezHJ6FGGt1DqwohQ109cBvS7sTJHldiDySn vg9GFxLOTqSC7qMbmP2Arp5OUc14Eg5edgDl6gep4hqQy4dMhHYXkojllaMPyAJR hoGhi586A4lXluzIFQC+M6BmUUmJN5qTYAko5UHOYevblHSS/Xym+jLt1Cy1sHJQ lXW5lNMg9Dz/bwvMj4Kv+kzDvOvKi4E9Q8IFxSzAeLPh1NboWFoPjMOqk/AkvRs7 g0HvKZu9b0735AxhUjZwTi+s4BKebMB4FfDV/rcVG4BFmvKIpzFexxxwwWuBdH2g 6QqrlLDPcykvjh3n+U2azgHm/sCPPejWBAE2wPrW5syID+L4WsGbrHvecHE22Sn1 M+R7JjPDdIOlJMFmEvZYMXbWv//PQbvrDPOMSCDMVdLyA3BETWnBeAbAbnKdXwbJ pRM8Ub+J7dF89Nws8xSV4EZLHk9EpySPOs75QtnCBQ== =JjBW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--